Ufc 165

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AsaAkira13,

I am pretty sure there are places to discuss these things apart from this board. The race vs identity vs the public deal is at best tangential to “UFC 165” and “Is John Jones a jerk?”.

Not a whole lot of anything in your posts is really in the realm of “settled science”, not that anything is truly “settled” in science. I certainly would not have issue with you citing your sources, especially when you are claiming scientific consensus. I am not even sure consensus is possible in such fields.

I am having a bit of difficulty ID’ing the experts you reference with initials. It is usually a good idea to fully type out the name at least once and then shorten it. This lets readers confirm/figure out who you are citing. If I am correct Dr. H Newton and Huey P are both Huey Newton, co-founder of the Black Panthers. If N G Tyson is who I am thinking of than that is Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium. You also seem to be indicating some sort of intellectual/academic parity between the two. I think that is a mistake.

This section of the forums also has a bit larger LEO presence than GAL so holding up Newton as an example of someone who is judged unfairly harsh is likely not doing you any favors. Hell, I have a strong dislike of socialists AND cop killers and I sure as hell am not an LEO. I have NEVER heard or read an insult or criticism against Dr. Tyson or his ideas that hinged on race coming from any academic or professional circle. I am not claiming you haven’t, but perhaps we read different sources or talk in different groups? The only reactions that seem at all vitriolic tend to involve his positions on “intelligent design” and religion/faith vs science as separate subjects. I will suggest that perhaps this racial bias is not as prevelant as you seem to indicate.

IF you want to talk about how race plays into the public’s acceptance of fighters that is a topic for another thread. If you want to talk about these ideas in general than another section of the forums might serve you better.

Regards,

Robert A

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"The vikings had to plunder because they lived in such harsh lands, the result was a form of naturally enforced eugenics that led to a genetic level where they all reached a certain stature, like Giraffes did and black people in North America have today.

This stuff really inst up for debate, it is just a fact."

I stopped reading here because it shows how little you know of the subject.

Vikings being tall was largely a myth. The science points to the average viking height being 5’7, hardly the stuff of giants. In fact, for the time period, utterly average.

“this stuff isnt up for debate, it is just a fact”

Orion is that you…

Heres how it works cupcake: you attempting to assert something, doesn’t make it so.

Clearly, it IS up for debate.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
"The vikings had to plunder because they lived in such harsh lands, the result was a form of naturally enforced eugenics that led to a genetic level where they all reached a certain stature, like Giraffes did and black people in North America have today.

This stuff really inst up for debate, it is just a fact."

I stopped reading here because it shows how little you know of the subject.

Vikings being tall was largely a myth. The science points to the average viking height being 5’7, hardly the stuff of giants. In fact, for the time period, utterly average.

“this stuff isnt up for debate, it is just a fact”

Orion is that you…

Heres how it works cupcake: you attempting to assert something, doesn’t make it so.

Clearly, it IS up for debate.[/quote]

The GERMANIC tribes were 5’11 to 6’2 dude. Do you realise that can not be put against people’s sizes today with a massive disparity in calorie access and all the modern things we have to let us grow.

The average federal soldier in the American civil war was 5ft 8 and 3 quarter inches.

The “other” Vikings" most people think of as the Vikings were smaller, because their land was more forgiving, meaning it didn’t enforce such harsh selection processes on its inhabitants.

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@Robert
go watch the damn fight, damnit!

@Asa
you realize that writing

“[… ]caramel delicious men from Brazil and genetic gods from America who were molded into the greatest athletes history has ever seen from decades upon decades of the harshest conditions that led to an immense pool of genetic prowess […], with ten inch cocks stuffing their pretty white girlfriend into the sofa ad gorilla fucking her senseless”

and coming up with racism as an explanation seems rather neurotic?
Just come out of the closet already.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
@Robert
go watch the damn fight, damnit!

@Asa
you realize that writing

“[… ]caramel delicious men from Brazil and genetic gods from America who were molded into the greatest athletes history has ever seen from decades upon decades of the harshest conditions that led to an immense pool of genetic prowess […], with ten inch cocks stuffing their pretty white girlfriend into the sofa ad gorilla fucking her senseless”

and coming up with racism as an explanation seems rather neurotic?
Just come out of the closet already.

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I’m a fan of black men dude, I was never in a closet :slight_smile:

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That’s racist

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
That’s racist[/quote]

Liking black men is racist? Please continue.

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[quote]AsaAkira13 wrote:

(I just think black superiority is a fear of many fight fans)
[/quote]

Are you for fucking real??

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]AsaAkira13 wrote:

(I just think black superiority is a fear of many fight fans)
[/quote]

Are you for fucking real??[/quote]

Yes.

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I dont know why but I never really bought in to the Glover hype-train. I just think he hasnt really done anything special against a real top contender and considering Bader was able to put him in trouble I’m not holding my breath for him dethroning Bones. Then again, when Bones had beat Bader and was challenging Shogun for the belt I was sure Shogun would chop down his chicken legs and knock him out and that didnt work too well so who knows…

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[quote]AsaAkira13 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
"The vikings had to plunder because they lived in such harsh lands, the result was a form of naturally enforced eugenics that led to a genetic level where they all reached a certain stature, like Giraffes did and black people in North America have today.

This stuff really inst up for debate, it is just a fact."

I stopped reading here because it shows how little you know of the subject.

Vikings being tall was largely a myth. The science points to the average viking height being 5’7, hardly the stuff of giants. In fact, for the time period, utterly average.

“this stuff isnt up for debate, it is just a fact”

Orion is that you…

Heres how it works cupcake: you attempting to assert something, doesn’t make it so.

Clearly, it IS up for debate.[/quote]

The GERMANIC tribes were 5’11 to 6’2 dude. Do you realise that can not be put against people’s sizes today with a massive disparity in calorie access and all the modern things we have to let us grow.

The average federal soldier in the American civil war was 5ft 8 and 3 quarter inches.

The “other” Vikings" most people think of as the Vikings were smaller, because their land was more forgiving, meaning it didn’t enforce such harsh selection processes on its inhabitants.
[/quote]

Ok so now you’re changing your story. First you’re talking about the selection pressures on vikings giving them tall statures, now you’re trying to tell me you were talking about germanic tribes. Which is it? Its not my fault you’re either A) bad at communication or B) full of shit

Ok, germanic tribes. Who? go on, name a fucking tribe, because I guarantee you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]AsaAkira13 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
"The vikings had to plunder because they lived in such harsh lands, the result was a form of naturally enforced eugenics that led to a genetic level where they all reached a certain stature, like Giraffes did and black people in North America have today.

This stuff really inst up for debate, it is just a fact."

I stopped reading here because it shows how little you know of the subject.

Vikings being tall was largely a myth. The science points to the average viking height being 5’7, hardly the stuff of giants. In fact, for the time period, utterly average.

“this stuff isnt up for debate, it is just a fact”

Orion is that you…

Heres how it works cupcake: you attempting to assert something, doesn’t make it so.

Clearly, it IS up for debate.[/quote]

The GERMANIC tribes were 5’11 to 6’2 dude. Do you realise that can not be put against people’s sizes today with a massive disparity in calorie access and all the modern things we have to let us grow.

The average federal soldier in the American civil war was 5ft 8 and 3 quarter inches.

The “other” Vikings" most people think of as the Vikings were smaller, because their land was more forgiving, meaning it didn’t enforce such harsh selection processes on its inhabitants.
[/quote]

Ok so now you’re changing your story. First you’re talking about the selection pressures on vikings giving them tall statures, now you’re trying to tell me you were talking about germanic tribes. Which is it? Its not my fault you’re either A) bad at communication or B) full of shit

Ok, germanic tribes. Who? go on, name a fucking tribe, because I guarantee you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.[/quote]

Lol you really need to educate yourself on a topic before telling people their opinion on said topic is not an educated one.

The Vikings weren’t only from Sweden homeslice!

Name a tribe… OK

Visigoths
vandals
Ostrogoths
Burgundians
Lombards

No one changed anything, you are just arguing with zero insight whatsoever on the subject, which you should probably stop doing.

The Vikings you are thinking of with your in depth evening TV special knowledge on are the Scandinavian Vikings who went on to found Russia and plunder certain sections of Europe.

Vikings we’re Teutons, this is why Hitler believed Germany and Britain were the racially pure nations and had divine right to rule the earth.
Teutonic blood.

The German Vikings were tall and for the times giants before men, because they were in much harsher lands than their Scandinavian counterparts.
This lead to the biggest and strongest only surviving, reproducing and creating the Aryan man the Germans and British like to think of themselves as, many years before our inbreeding took our genetic stock down quite a few levels.

Odin be with you.

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I think one thing to consider in regards to Jones’s apparent arrogance is that when you are on top it is more difficult to remain hungry/motivated than it is when you are climbing your way up the ladder. Different fighters will take different approaches to doing so. IMO, Jones has taken to attempting to motivate himself by trying to convince himself that he can become the greatest MMA fighter of all time if he continues to train hard and improve; telling the World that he plans to be the greatest simply puts more pressure on himself to live up to those expectations. I don’t know Jones personally, so this is just my best guess.

People can like this or hate it (regardless of whether my hypothesis is correct), that is the right of being a fan. But I think it’s important to remember that these champs are just people and why they might act the way they do.

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Asaakira13, I’m only going to say this once. You are either a troll or an idiot or both. The only reason it took some time to catch on with posters here, if it has, is because they thought they filled the douchebag quota when I started posting here. You claim to be 20 with no martial arts experience and yet you want to drop everything to become an MMA fighter. That screams troll or moron.

You are now basically race baiting as if this is Stormfront or PWI. Again, troll or weirdo. There are only two douchebags allowed here. One is me and the other is from Jersey (it’s something in the water). Go over to PWI. You will find yourself at home there.

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In regards to Glover, while I’d love to see him win (he trains BJJ with Luigi Mondelli, who is Shihan Lysak’s friend and with who I am affiliated with), I agree that stylistically he will have his hands full against Jones. That said, Texiera’s style makes him very difficult to finish, and he is a very well rounded fighter who is also a legit Black Belt on the ground. So, Jones is definitely going to need to bring his A game as well if he wants to continue to hold onto the belt.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ok, I said it more than once.
[/quote]

How am I race baiting for putting simple points across and then giving a poster a pretty easily digestable history history lesson on Europe?

And no I have found the forum great, especially the advice in other sections, in fact in pretty much every thread.

As for stormfront, I don’t think they like my type.

You didn’t give a coherent rebuttal of my argument that most fans are biased against jones, you just told me to shut up, which is fine, but not really new or intelligent.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Ok, I said it more than once.
[/quote]

Awesome.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
In regards to Glover, while I’d love to see him win (he trains BJJ with Luigi Mondelli, who is Shihan Lysak’s friend and with who I am affiliated with), I agree that stylistically he will have his hands full against Jones. That said, Texiera’s style makes him very difficult to finish, and he is a very well rounded fighter who is also a legit Black Belt on the ground. So, Jones is definitely going to need to bring his A game as well if he wants to continue to hold onto the belt.[/quote]

I am not sure about that.

Jones has a reach advantage that seems means his “B” game can still create problems. His wrestling is good enough that I think he can be on top if it hits the ground and then point/ground and pound. I like Texiera, but he is facing some pretty big anatomical issues. His hands are heavy and his striking is good, but I am not sure if his footwork is so much better than Jones that he can create the angles he needs. I have heard he is skilled on the ground, and if you say he is legit that is good enough for me, but I think Jones is good enough and long enough to make submissions unlikely.

Hope you are handling the lack of sleep that comes with a new child well.

Regards,

Robert A

P.S. I am told “amazon mom” is a great service for diapers/baby food/other stuff. I have zero first hand knowledge but more than one woman has said it saves them real money.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
In regards to Glover, while I’d love to see him win (he trains BJJ with Luigi Mondelli, who is Shihan Lysak’s friend and with who I am affiliated with), I agree that stylistically he will have his hands full against Jones. That said, Texiera’s style makes him very difficult to finish, and he is a very well rounded fighter who is also a legit Black Belt on the ground. So, Jones is definitely going to need to bring his A game as well if he wants to continue to hold onto the belt.[/quote]

I am not sure about that.

Jones has a reach advantage that seems means his “B” game can still create problems. His wrestling is good enough that I think he can be on top if it hits the ground and then point/ground and pound. I like Texiera, but he is facing some pretty big anatomical issues. His hands are heavy and his striking is good, but I am not sure if his footwork is so much better than Jones that he can create the angles he needs. I have heard he is skilled on the ground, and if you say he is legit that is good enough for me, but I think Jones is good enough and long enough to make submissions unlikely.

Hope you are handling the lack of sleep that comes with a new child well.

Regards,

Robert A

P.S. I am told “amazon mom” is a great service for diapers/baby food/other stuff. I have zero first hand knowledge but more than one woman has said it saves them real money.

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I agree about the reach issue, that’s why I said that stylistically Glover has his hands full. Gus is really the only one in that division who Jones doesn’t have a huge advantage on in that department, though I think Machida also has the skill set to effectively thwart that advantage.

I honestly think Jones is the heavy favorite to win against anyone except Gus at this point, but a guy like Glover who has heavy hands, is durable, aggressive and well rounded could beat Jones if Jones underestimates him, or comes in a little off. Not saying that either of those are likely to happen though.

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And thanks, Baby Sento is doing well; no we are not sleeping all that much most nights, but we’re still loving being new parents. :slight_smile: