BP Very High, 170/110, From High Estrogen?

Pharma / TRT
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Was the answer I gave in terms of him asking where to acquire meds… I told him to “see another doc”

No… It comes with the warning that within certain individuals with heart disease it can exacerbate angina/lead to myocardial infarction. Most drugs aimed at treating arrythmia have the potential to be proarryrhmiac, it’s dependent on patient response, current medications the patient is already on etc

Typically beta blocker induced cardiac complications (metoprolol being a b1 adrenergic receptor selective drug) stem from overdose, slowing down HR too much can limit the amount of oxygenated blood delivered throughout the body… Furthermore given b1 adrenergic receptor blockade will lead to a decrease in cardiac contractility as well as rate, a serious drop could lead to more serious issues, electrical conduction abnormalities (atrioventricular block for one), cardiac arrest etc

Here we have a presumably healthy male with hypertension induced by AAS usage… I’ve specified there are different types of drugs used to treat hypertension, first line treatment differs based on individualistic needs… Following this I recommended he see another doctor and refused to give him a black market source… I haven’t done anything wrong here nor have I given bad advice

As a matter of fact

I went to a medical professional about this exact comment, showed him/her the thread (have many MD’s within the family) they laughed, called bullshit (I’m not kidding, I actually did his because I was insulted by you’re response assuming that I was telling him what drugs to take) and said this man acutely given how high his BP is NEEDS antihypertensive medication…

certain members of my family are aware of my presence here…

Plenty of guys on here advice others to use tren, deca, dbol, test in dosages 10x that of what would be employed within a medical setting… This has the chance to kill people rather quickly, yet you’re going after me for telling a guy he probably needs to hop on BP meds, to see a different doctor?

Other people reccomended Cialis… Without knowing what meds he’s on

Cialis + nitrates = death… That advice could kill him… Cialis + poppers (amyl nitrates) = death
Cialis + other BP lowering meds can = fainting

Cialis + renal impairment (AAS elicits nephrotoxicity over time, induces FSGS… Esp those like tren, orals) leads to impaired processing of the drug… this could equal priaprism and a visit to the hospital… Reccomending pde5 inhibitors to this guy could hurt him given we don’t know his medical history

Why make this comment directed towards me when I in NO way condoned him acquiring black market BP meds

Selective serotonin reuputake inhibitors have a black box warning due to the miniscule risk of serotonin syndrome. Intuniv (guanfacine… a2a receptor agonist) has a black box warning for inducing suicidal thoughts/idealation… This was reported a few times within postmarketing reports

I never feel comfortable recommending drugs… But if someone has a BP near that of what is required to diagnose a hypertensive crisis, I think it’s adequate I say “these are meds used to treat high blood pressure, you should see a different doctor” and furthermore extrapolate upon the risks associated with requiring BP meds online.

Edit: I’m no expert, but a BP of 170/110 needs medical intervention, no one should argue with that… Leaving said BP be is riskier than taking BP meds… No competent doctor will argue with that, esp since systolic of 180, diastolic of 120 or both is typically grounds for immediate hospitalisation… Acutely said BP can induce irreversible organ damage.

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I’m calling straight up bullshit on that. Asking your mom or dad about something on the internet doesn’t count as a medical consultation.

You can word barf all you want. The simple fact is that this is outside of your realm of knowledge, and throwing a bunch of other bullshit on top of that doesn’t make it less bullshit.

So we have guys recommending other stuff too. Like cialis or viagra. Let’s say dude takes those along with isosorbide.

Now what?

But you don’t know what he’s taking or doing, because once again, you aren’t an MD, and you haven’t examined him. And you can’t observe the effect that these drugs will have.

And the presumption that he’s healthy?

His fucking BP is through the roof!

That isn’t healthy!

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Do what you want… Doesn’t phase me what you think

I’ve ready brought this up…

Any competent medical professional will put him on BP meds at this point. The only factor here inducing hypertension is AAS…

You’re giving me shit… But not calling out anyone else… Why not @SkyzykS why not call out anyone offering advice regarding supraphysiologic dosing? (AAS)

This is the pharma forum, we aren’t here to not talk about medications

This isn’t the first time you’ve gotten irritated with me without adequate merit…

I’m not an expert, not a doctor… But this guy needs antihypertensive meds, needs to see a different doctor

The only rationale I can see for not dispensing meds would be if hypertension we’re induced by anxiety slone

I’m out of here… Can’t be bothered with this

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Obviously not. But you also like to play doctor with real lives on the internet.

To a guy asking for critical medical advice on the internet. Among other suggestions. Which is why when doctors, in conjunction with pharmacists, write and fill prescriptions they take measures to avoid these conflicts.

But here we have a dozen people saying “yeah, get some drugs and take this, that, or the other.”.

Full stop.

Should be the first and last response.

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Nope, talking about BP meds… Saying “see another doctor” isn’t playing doctor.

I don’t give out cycle advice, I don’t tell people what drugs to use… I merely talk about drugs and mechanisms by which they act upon the body. Supposedly this is playing doctor…

Call out others giving gear advice if you’re actually irritated with people giving drug advice…

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Once again, it’s the pharma forum… Have you seen the sheer extent of self medication/abuse of prescription drugs present within the bodybuilding community?

There are kids on sarms, gear, GH, pde5 inhibitors etc let alone what the adults are taking. This isn’t a forum for medical advice to be dispensed… But talking about the drugs, I think that’s exactly what the pharma forum is for

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Most gear advice can’t induce a relatively immediate death if misconstrued, misdosed, or otherwise improperly applied.

But keep at it. Maybe some day.

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Firsthand, yes. And the bodies.

For clarity, the dead ones.

Does that make being careless OK?

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I’m not… Being careless (though not sure if you’re talking about me)… I’m not dispensing drug advice, nor am I “playing doctor”

Do you know many who have died from cardiac enlargement/arrythmia (from reasonable dosing… Just wondering) induced via AAS alone. There was one guy on here using 2g tren weekly, disagreed with my statement “Boston Lloyd won’t live a long, healthy life…”

No, it doesn’t make careless use of AAS okay… I wish more would stop to think about the long term implications before using grams of gear…

If you really want to see reckless advice, use of meds look at Reddit’s steroid subsection

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Here’s the thing, placing conditions on a question to sequester an answer you want isn’t that clever.

Because nothing happens in a vacuum and real adults (and real doctors) know that.

But yes. I’ve known a couple. My wrestling coach for one.

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So once again, other people being careless or stupid makes being careless and stupid ok?

If your friend jumps off of a bridge…

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I’m sorry for you’re loss

Not looking for any answer… You’ve misinterpreted my question. I don’t think AAS (say when dosed 500mg test equiv + weekly) are safe at all. Granted there’s genetic discrepancies, lifestyle variations. I asked whether it’s AAS alone because I need some ammo, many look at the case reports, studies on cardiac morphology (real life and on forum) and will state “they didn’t compound for this factor”… I just want some clear cut ammunition to use against those who preach grams of gear being safe rather than having to keep covering my ass on the basis of “but we don’t entirely know”

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Once again this is irrelevant given I don’t condone reckless behavior

I depart this earth with him/her (joking)

It’s late, I’m heading off. Goodnight mate

Also I don’t quite appreciate this, i’m apt enough to sense this as being condescending in nature… I’ve never assumed myself to be an adult… But I don’t need people digging it in, implying I’m some stupid kid who doesn’t know anything on the sole basis of my age

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That’s your own shit.

You want to be treated like an adult?

Try acting like one.

You literally ran to your parents in this thread, over something on the internet.

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Never said anything about my parents

I have cousins, uncle’s, family friends and more within the medical profession… This is an assumption you’ve made

It’s late here, I don’t wish to stay up longer over such a trivial argument. I don’t appreciate you’re tone either… This is just like that other thread that I repeatedly bring up because my feelings were hurt wherein you implied the reason I act the way I do was because I’ve never been punched in the face.

These arguments make me anxious because I always worry you’ll say something incredibly hurtful… can we just drop this?

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On average the first medication you get lowers systolic BP about 10 points and diastolic about 5 mm Hg, every dorther medication 3-5 points.
When I read that the first time I couldn’t believe it was only that low but that’s the average.
Strong blood pressure decrease would be from drugs like Clonidin or Nifedipine, both not recommendable for high blood pressure besides acute crisis.

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In a 6 month study it didn’t lose its effect

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Yeah.

Mmhmm.

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I give you an extra large ration of shit sometimes because you are particularly good at dressing your lack of knowledge and medical practice as knowledge by draping it in information.

That’s why I call it word barf.

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Long romantic walks are a great way lower bp and getting laid. Both reducing cortisol level, which is said to have a positive impact on bp. If you wanna get fancy, add a picknick with a avocado sallad topped off with some apple cider vinegar.

Disclaimer: Kids have a high negative impact on bp and wellbeing in general. Wear protection.

Hope your bp comes down soon!

(Completely missed that the thread was 7 months old…