BP Very High, 170/110, From High Estrogen?

Exercise elicits a net response of vasodilation, esp aerobic exercise. AAS blunts this response, dysregulates the parasympathetic nervous system from adequately recovering post exercise but the notion still stands. That’s probably why you feel better directly after exercise

Don’t feel comfortable giving out this kind of info. I myself am going to attempt to get more beta blockers though another avenue. I can tell you whether it’s successful.

You can purchase propranolol (Non selective beta blocker, not all that effective though) via the BM

COQ-10, celery seed extract etc has a measurable effect on BP within clinical trails, though not to the extent you’re looking for

Its weird, I havent even felt this head pressure on Trenbolone.

Does deca have something in it that thickens blood more than Tren? or raises bp even more?

Doesnt seem to make any sense Deca is always said to be “mild” compared to other gear.

Probably not

perhaps, it’s an individualistic response. As we get older drug responses can differ. For instance we tend to metabolise alcohol at a slower rate the older we get, thus it’s generally easier to get a 60 y/o drunk compared to a 17 y/o

Oh thats definetaly noticable, mayeb I just cant handle the gear as I used to.

When I was 25, I barely had any sides or bothersome issues on gear, I even did more gear, even did Tren with friggin 2 scoops of pre workout (400mg caffeine) and ephedrine stack, fat burners, workout to failure for 3 hours lol, I was a beast, no side effects.

Seems like my body is really weaker now, same with the alcohol, now 2 drinks and im drunk.

ewwwwww, methamphetamine analogue… eeeeeewww (tried ephedrine once… not for me… even if I’d liked it I probably still wouldn’t have done it again). Good PWO though

lol… but good, less expensive. Not to condone drinking as it’s one of the more harmful substances one can take. But 2 drinks is cheap, for those who require like 15-20 to get drunk it’s prohibitively expensive.

Ah i didnt like it either, I just took it coz it was recommended for cutting, I was on prep that time

Fair enough, too jittery… heart rate increase, generally felt tweaked out and uncomfortable

Craziest part is I must’ve been about fourteen at this point (tried it as a PWO)

I dont friggin understand how on earth some of these bodybuilders can run damn gear for 10/20 years, even like 10 times more than I did, and dont have these same issues or complaints.

Like jezus, they are blessed with strong bodies

Genetics… and good healthcare, those who have a doc on board willing to prescribe the meds required to mitigate risks (ace inhibitor, beta blockers etc) will fare far better than the avg dude using

My lipids were fucked from like 220mg weekly (though I’d just gotten off mast, the most likely culprit)

I’ve been sick three times in the past three months… I have chronic pain… how do you think I feel lol @giano

Yeah this is my issue here, its impossible to get it here doctor wont be on board and will just tell you to quit what your doing.

So now at this point im looking at ordering Ace Inhibitors and beta blockers Online, is this dangerous? I dont have another option to get it

Also read pure Hibiscus powder can lower BP well? U know about this? Its from a plant, can put it in Tea and stuff. was thinking to try some

COULD be dangerous, you can easily get counterfeit and/or bunk product

A good comparison to genetic tolerance btw would stem from (anecdote) me, ADHD medications vs depressants. I can’t handle stimulants, caffeine makes me jittery, for ADHD medication (I have fairly severe ADHD) anything above 2.5mg dexamfetamine is too much… I refuse to take the medication I require for treatment as it increases my HR dramatically… I’ve been told a RHR of 95 on stimulants is nothing to worry about, I digress. It makes me anxious… during exams I accidentally took slightly too much twice (prescribed) and totally lost the plot, didn’t seep for days and LITERALLY went somewhat insane

Take booze… takes about 15-20 drinks to get me drunk, I can get up the next day after say slugging ten shots back to back (aside from autonomic dysfunction being exacerbated) like nothing really happened… even do the same thing again. My father was the same, my brother has a similarly high tolerance despite practically never drinking (I don’t really drink anymore either, most of my dabbling with alcohol was around my 18th… and again during my Europe trip… high tolerance doesn’t equate to systemic toxicity not being present).

Some people can handle more of X,Y,Z… it’s genetic, as we age tolerance/response will change

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Oh yeah thats very stimulant sensitive, if I had that reaction I would also lay it off if it makes you feel uneasy, as for the caffeine you can get used to caffeine after a while though, but it isnt that good anyway, I just drink some pre workout, sometimes in the morning, not too strong. On gear I dont dare to drink much caffeine anymore, I already feel I cand handle what i could years ago.

You sound really senstive to it, im average i guess, but man i know people that order like the strongest damn coffee at starbucks, off-menu with 2 extra scoops of coffee beans, when i take 3 sips of that my hands are shaking, im buzzing, one more sip and nervous as well, and they just finish the whole damn thing like Venti sized 600/700ML alone lol.

Sounds like my family, my dad and sister, grandma etcetera all drank a lot and can handle it really well, my dad could finish half a crate and not be drunk yet, I didnt inheritate that, I still get drunk after a few glasses quite easily.

Quite hits home, I used to think I was invincible and high tolerance to all kinds of stuff, well here I am 4 years later can barely handle a medium gear cycle anymore or few cups of coffee xD

How about Tadalafil/Cialis for BP? Just read it also lowers blood pressure and can relax arteries?

My favorite BP med. You only need 5-10mg/day, and comes with the added benefit of great pumps in the gym and the bedroom.

That being said, it’s a mild blood pressure med, so it won’t help with very high BP. You might need something stronger.

Does daily Cialis lose it’s effectiveness in the bedroom after a while? Not necessarily stop working but not quite as effective as it was initially?

One of the most dangerous things would be getting Real hbp meds and dropping your ass dead.

The one I take has possibly fatal side effects when you Stop taking it.

Uhhhh, if he has stage 3 hypertension not taking meds is more dangerous than taking them

I take beta blockers (second line treatment for hypertension) for anxiety

I also take guanfacine (a2a receptor agonist) off label for ADHD… Ace inhibitors have a minute chance of inducing hyperkalemia (potentially lethal if it induces arrythmia), renal impairment etc. All BP meds have the potential to induce side effects… Very rarely these side effects may be serious

Given the mechanisms by which Ace inhibitors, calcium channel blockers, dieuretics work upon… You won’t drop dead if you’re hypertensive and initiate use… Furthermore discontinuation won’t directly kill you. The main issue is rebound BP increase… If you’ve previously had a heart attack (weakened heart), have heart disease and/or were significantly hypertensive to begin with this could theoretically cause a lethal complication

This man is significantly hypertensive due to exogenous drug use… BP meds used for a few weeks, then discontinued won’t kill him

His RHR is 61bpm though, beta blockers in particular would have the potential to cause symptomatic bradycardia

Obviously if you’re hypertensive, stop using… BP increases to say 170/110 you’re acutely putting yourself at risk for stroke, myocardial infarction etc.

Getting real BP meds won’t kill you… There is very little risk of death

Dieuretics can induce electrolyte imbalance (p
Low potassium… Hypokalemia), cause lethal arrythmia (torsades de pointes etc, deteriorates into v fib… Dead)

I’d be more worried about fake, adulturated or overdosed products

Yeah, but the thing is, you don’t actually know that in any practical sense.

Because you don’t practice medicine, and have not examined him.

Yet you’re making drug suggestions that could kill him. Metoprolol specifically comes with this warning.

I know you’d like to help, and this stuff comes from a good place, but the real medicine stuff is outside of your wheel house.

This guy has a real problem that needs addressed by real doctors.