I had a yuppie friend asking me about working out. While I was smoking on a cowboy killer at a party.
I normally don’t smoke but, I had a few drinks and…you know how the story goes.
[quote]Damici wrote:
“…work as hard as three-toed tree sloths…”
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Hey, I resemble that remark!
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[quote]rich44 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Damici wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
If that weight is significantly heavier than you and you’re, say, snatching it, or doing a clean-and-jerk, nevermind a regular old deadlift without injuring yourself, then the answer is: a LOT.
Oly lifts are an athletic movement. Powerlifting movements are not.
I do not know where you get the idea that powerlifters are not athletic but I would say that is a stupid assumption. There is a lot more to powerlifting than you think.
As for golf, it is a game and nothing more. It takes no athletic ability to hit a ball and then go fetch it.
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Where did I say powerlifters arent athletic? I said powerlifting exercises (deadlift, squats, and bench press) isnt an athletic movement.
Pick up weight put it down, repeat after 5 minutes or until after you shoot up and put on your pussy suit. Have 10 fatasses standing on either side of you to catch the weight in case you drop it. You want to get sterotypical so will I. But ya know what the difference is between you and I…I dont believe a word I just said because I know it takes a certain level of athleticism to lift heavy weights just as I know it takes a certain amount of athleticism to his a 300 yard drive.
Any old lady can deadlift and hit a golf ball but that little old lady cant hit a golf ball 300 yards just as she can squat 300lbs.
[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
Y’all who think golf isn’t a sport need to go try and hit a ball… when you can hit a shot dead straight over 300 yards, and then curve it left and right (draws and fades) to within a few feet of the target… then you can tell us it’s not a sport.
Until then, get a clue and stop being ignant.[/quote]
We need to clarify something here. Something being difficult does NOT equal it being a sport. Golf is a SKILL GAME. So is pool. So is chess. So is darts. These activities are difficult. There are people out there who have trained really hard at all of those games and become amazingly, mind-bogglingly good at them. Better than I could EVER hope to be. Agreed. BUT, that does NOT make them SPORTS.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and define very loosely what I feel makes something a sport, and I bet that 95% of people would agree with me. (Kind of like porn – you know it when you see it). 
(No, this is not from Webster’s dictionary, but I feel this pretty much sums it up). A true sport requires you to break a serious sweat every time you engage in it, and to be ATHLETIC, i.e. in better physical condition than the average not-so-active person, be it aerobically, anaerobically or both. It means that – putting SKILL LEVEL aside for a second – the average couch potato who never, ever excercises in any fashion, even if they had GREAT skills at it, could not be good at it, because they don’t have the required ATHLETICISM.
Marathon running is a sport, albeit maybe not my personal cup of tea. Powerlifting, olympic lifting, football, basketball, hockey, track and field events, boxing, ultimate fighting, rock climbing, etc. (and many more that I’m leaving out) are sports. Bodybuilding? I would say no – contest day (although physically gruelling, I know) is really just a day of showing/displaying what you’ve honed; it’s not actually partaking in anything athletic. Are most bodybuilders (apart from the really excessive freaks) ATHLETIC? Yes. Their conditioning, in most cases, would probably allow them to be better than the average Joe in a number of sports (although certainly not all).
You need to take a bit of a chill pill and stop taking things QUITE so seriously. 
We KNOW that you enjoy golf. We get it. The fact that you’re on THIS board also means that you’re into lifting/bodybuilding, and not with little pink dumbells and a personal trainer who makes you use a Swiss ball all the damn time. I take this to mean that you probably enjoy the testosterone fests that I enjoy (when I mentioned what I love about working out). So no one is calling you a pansy-assed, pink-shirted little woos. (Unless you actually do wear pink shirts. That would be another story).
(Oh, and PS: In case I wasn’t clear enough above, golf ain’t a sport).
[quote]Damici wrote:
We need to clarify something here. Something being difficult does NOT equal it being a sport. Golf is a SKILL GAME. So is pool. So is chess. So is darts. These activities are difficult. There are people out there who have trained really hard at all of those games and become amazingly, mind-bogglingly good at them. Better than I could EVER hope to be. Agreed. BUT, that does NOT make them SPORTS.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and define very loosely what I feel makes something a sport, and I bet that 95% of people would agree with me. (Kind of like porn – you know it when you see it). (No, this is not from Webster’s dictionary, but I feel this pretty much sums it up). A true sport requires you to break a serious sweat every time you engage in it, and to be ATHLETIC, i.e. in better physical condition than the average not-so-active person, be it aerobically, anaerobically or both. It means that – putting SKILL LEVEL aside for a second – the average couch potato who never, ever excercises in any fashion, even if they had GREAT skills at it, could not be good at it, because they don’t have the required ATHLETICISM.
Marathon running is a sport, albeit maybe not my personal cup of tea. Powerlifting, olympic lifting, football, basketball, hockey, track and field events, boxing, ultimate fighting, rock climbing, etc. (and many more that I’m leaving out) are sports. Bodybuilding? I would say no – contest day (although physically gruelling, I know) is really just a day of showing/displaying what you’ve honed; it’s not actually partaking in anything athletic. Are most bodybuilders (apart from the really excessive freaks) ATHLETIC? Yes. Their conditioning, in most cases, would probably allow them to be better than the average Joe in a number of sports (although certainly not all).
You need to take a bit of a chill pill and stop taking things QUITE so seriously. We KNOW that you enjoy golf. We get it. The fact that you’re on THIS board also means that you’re into lifting/bodybuilding, and not with little pink dumbells and a personal trainer who makes you use a Swiss ball all the damn time. I take this to mean that you probably enjoy the testosterone fests that I enjoy (when I mentioned what I love about working out). So no one is calling you a pansy-assed, pink-shirted little woos. (Unless you actually do wear pink shirts. That would be another story).
(Oh, and PS: In case I wasn’t clear enough above, golf ain’t a sport). :)[/quote]
I still disagree. Pool and darts may be skill games, but golf requires a lot more athletic ability than those two things. Golf requires strength flexibility, stamina, coordination, and mental toughness just like any other sport. Sure I could try to play it without these qualities, just like I could try to play football or basketball, but I would never be good at any of them.
I agree 100% that some people that are lazy cough potatoes are able to play it, but they usually a) aren’t very good and b) take a fucking cart. These same guys could just as easily go play basketball once a week with their buddies, and that is still considered a sport right?
Agree to disagree. Obviously people aren’t going to change their minds based on an internet forum, but it’s sad to see so many people on here be so closed minded like some of the original posters in this thread.
[quote]Damici wrote:
Powerlifting[/quote]
Powerlifting is not a sport because someone judges you. Its someones opinion if you went down far enough, didnt bounce etc. One might put it on par with rhythmic gymnastics. I mean there are judges to make sure do it properly. You sweat during it, thats for sure.
So its official, powerlifting is no more a sport than rhythmic gymnastics. In fact one might say it takes more athleticism to do rhythmic gymnastics than powerlifting. See the movie Old School for reference.
[quote]rich44 wrote:
CU AeroStallion wrote:
Y’all who think golf isn’t a sport need to go try and hit a ball… when you can hit a shot dead straight over 300 yards, and then curve it left and right (draws and fades) to within a few feet of the target… then you can tell us it’s not a sport.
Until then, get a clue and stop being ignant.
I have tried to play golf and my drive is around 300 yards. I still say that it is NOT a sport but rather a game like pool, and I do enjoy pool I would never call it a sport though. The only time I played a round of golf I was only 7 strokes over par. I have not played since and never will again. It is a game I can do without. It is funny that you assume that everyone here who says golf is not a sport has not played it. That only shows your ignorance.
As for the shot you descibed one could also say that pool is a sport just from some of the difficult shots I have made on a pool table, but they would be wrong. Pool is a game just like golf.
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A) you did not shoot 7 over par your first time playing golf. You know there are actually rules in golf which govern play. NO HUMAN being can walk onto a golf course for the first time and shoot 7 over par. It isn’t possible.
B) You may have hit one drive close to 300 yards, it was probably more like 280 or 270 which is fine. But you CAN’T drive a ball consistantly 300 yards nor can you probably hit one ball 300 yards. It’s not about strength so telling me your strong means nothing. Nor can you AVERAGE 300+ yards from the tee box for an entire season of playing golf. Thats every time you tee it up - 300+ yards. People do it, and some go higher than that.
C) 300 yards isn’t that far anymore. It used to be the gold standard of yardage off the tee 5-10 years ago. I have hit many many drives this year in the neighborhood of 340-350 yards. The big hitters on tour can go deeper than that if they want to.
Stop being a douchebag, golf is just as much of a sport as any other that your thinking about. You have to make an athletic move and you compete, either against the course or against other players. Your hard-on for making fun of “yuppie” golfers is annoying.
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Wait a second… ESPN’s TOP Athlete of the 20th century was a… GOLFER! Some guy by the name of Jack Nicklaus.
Jack Nicklaus was actually number nine on that list,which is still great.
The debate on whether or not someone is an athlete or a certain activity is or isn’t a sport will never be over. It is one of those subjects, like the death penalty, politics, abortion, and religion that you rarely hear someone say “You know you’re right, you have totally changed my mind.” Each persons definition varies. Basically, if you enjoy it, keep doing it. If you stink, practice. It doesn’t matter if another person considers it a sport or not.
What do you think about this: If you aren’t doing it to make a living or to earn/keep a scholarship, it isn’t a sport any longer. So the guy who does Olympic lifts in his local gym, but doesn’t have a shot at the Olympics is only participating in an activity. Same with the golfer or marathoner.
[quote]magyar wrote:
Fucking golf…It’s for those who can’t/won’t lift. It’s the athletic pursuit of most guys my age and I refuse to give it any credibility, because it’s a game for fat guys.
I feel better now… [/quote]
Golf is one of the best ways to get a lot of work done without actually being at work and getting paid for it!
And if you lift and play golf you can hit the ball a mile…like me.
C’ mon man Michigan has some great courses.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Damici wrote:
Powerlifting
Powerlifting is not a sport because someone judges you. Its someones opinion if you went down far enough, didnt bounce etc. One might put it on par with rhythmic gymnastics. I mean there are judges to make sure do it properly. You sweat during it, thats for sure.
So its official, powerlifting is no more a sport than rhythmic gymnastics. In fact one might say it takes more athleticism to do rhythmic gymnastics than powerlifting. See the movie Old School for reference.[/quote]
I am sure you must be kidding about this. You might as well say football isn’t a sport because the refs have to make judgements whether a touchdown is scored or not.
[quote]rich44 wrote:
CU AeroStallion wrote:
Y’all who think golf isn’t a sport need to go try and hit a ball… when you can hit a shot dead straight over 300 yards, and then curve it left and right (draws and fades) to within a few feet of the target… then you can tell us it’s not a sport.
Until then, get a clue and stop being ignant.
I have tried to play golf and my drive is around 300 yards. I still say that it is NOT a sport but rather a game like pool, and I do enjoy pool I would never call it a sport though. The only time I played a round of golf I was only 7 strokes over par. I have not played since and never will again. It is a game I can do without. It is funny that you assume that everyone here who says golf is not a sport has not played it. That only shows your ignorance.
As for the shot you descibed one could also say that pool is a sport just from some of the difficult shots I have made on a pool table, but they would be wrong. Pool is a game just like golf.
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you’re right, pool is not a sport, but is swimming in one a sport?
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Damici wrote:
Powerlifting
Powerlifting is not a sport because someone judges you. Its someones opinion if you went down far enough, didnt bounce etc. One might put it on par with rhythmic gymnastics. I mean there are judges to make sure do it properly. You sweat during it, thats for sure.
So its official, powerlifting is no more a sport than rhythmic gymnastics. In fact one might say it takes more athleticism to do rhythmic gymnastics than powerlifting. See the movie Old School for reference.[/quote]
I don’t think I mentioned powerlifting; I mentioned two olympic lifts and one powerlifting movement (the deadlift). As someone has pointed out, most sports have refs or judges to decide whether or not a certain action or play was legit. An umpire decides whether a pitch was in the strike zone; a referee decides whether an extra point kick was between the posts, or whether a pass was caught out of bounds; etc. I’m no powerlifting expert, but the judge is just deciding whether you moved the damn thing far enough, as required by the rules, or if you paused long enough for it not to have been a bounce, i.e. making sure it’s a legitmate lift. Almost all sports have someone verifying the legitimacy of play.
[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
rich44 wrote:
CU AeroStallion wrote:
Y’all who think golf isn’t a sport need to go try and hit a ball… when you can hit a shot dead straight over 300 yards, and then curve it left and right (draws and fades) to within a few feet of the target… then you can tell us it’s not a sport.
Until then, get a clue and stop being ignant.
I have tried to play golf and my drive is around 300 yards. I still say that it is NOT a sport but rather a game like pool, and I do enjoy pool I would never call it a sport though. The only time I played a round of golf I was only 7 strokes over par. I have not played since and never will again. It is a game I can do without. It is funny that you assume that everyone here who says golf is not a sport has not played it. That only shows your ignorance.
As for the shot you descibed one could also say that pool is a sport just from some of the difficult shots I have made on a pool table, but they would be wrong. Pool is a game just like golf.
you’re right, pool is not a sport, but is swimming in one a sport?[/quote]
No. Swimming is a way to keep from drowning. (Thanks to Mr. Carlin for that.)
But to expound upon that, swimming is just a way of getting from place to place, which is why it is not a sport. Neither is running (sprinting or long-distance). Skiing, snowboarding, biking, horseback-riding? Not sports. And–certainly–race car driving is not a sport.
Golf is closer to a sport than any of the aforementioned activities in that it uses a ball, but it is still nowhere near being a sport.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Damici wrote:
Powerlifting
Powerlifting is not a sport because someone judges you. Its someones opinion if you went down far enough, didnt bounce etc. One might put it on par with rhythmic gymnastics. I mean there are judges to make sure do it properly. You sweat during it, thats for sure.
So its official, powerlifting is no more a sport than rhythmic gymnastics. In fact one might say it takes more athleticism to do rhythmic gymnastics than powerlifting. See the movie Old School for reference.
I am sure you must be kidding about this. You might as well say football isn’t a sport because the refs have to make judgements whether a touchdown is scored or not.[/quote]
Agreed
[quote]Jonesy20 wrote:
I had a yuppie friend asking me about working out. While I was smoking on a cowboy killer at a party.
I normally don’t smoke but, I had a few drinks and…you know how the story goes.[/quote]
Nice…were you the pitcher or the catcher?
I won’t waste my time with people who trash on marathoners. Blind ignorance can never be corrected.
On that note, I never viewed running, cycling, or swimming as a sport. In fact, I see them all as competitions. It is a matter of who can do it better. Much like who can throw a ball the farthest would be a competition and not a sport.
I view sports as something of a team against a team where ones skills are directly influencial on or influenced by the skills of their opponent. I’d see something like American Gladiators as more of a sport than triathlon.
Basketball, football, soccer, baseball, etc. those are sports.
Shotput, weight lifting, body building, running, swimming, biking, sprinting, diving… those are all competitions.
And the whole laughing at non-elite marathoners makes no sense. They have just as much justification to make fun of everyone who isn’t an elite bodybuilder.
You take an elite marathoner and many of them are all running around 5:30 miles. Most people can’t hold that pace for one mile let alone 26.2.
Then take an elite Ironman and you are looking at sub 6:00 miles after 2.5 miles of ocean swimming and 112 miles of biking. Still, very few people can hold a 6:30 mile for one mile.
I didn’t know it was so cool to laugh at someone who can do something you can’t. I mean, do I get to laugh at all the people here who can still deadlift more than me but would never make it at some competition?
Before you criticize a man walk a mile in his shoes. That way you’re a mile away and you have his shoes.
[quote]aikigreg wrote:
How the FRICK some of you guys can bag on them instead of folks who do NOTHING for themselves health-wise is beyond my ken.
Maybe we need an iq test to join T-mag
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Guys here bag on folks who do NOTHING for themselves health-wise all the time. Just not in this thread.
[quote]TriGWU wrote:
Before you criticize a man walk a mile in his shoes. That way you’re a mile away and you have his shoes.
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However, sounds like if I do that to most of the guys you hang with, they’d catch up with me, in about 4 minutes.
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[quote]Damici wrote:
Almost all sports have someone verifying the legitimacy of play.[/quote]
Not in golf. You have to be a man and call the penalty on yourself…
LOL