[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
DJS wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
after seeing this again it just made me think, maybe the whole genetic shit isnt all its cracked up to be. he looks like a normal guy right there, he’s still bigger than the average person but he isnt what youd expect him to be i guess.
When I am talking about genetics and pro bodybuilders i take that as how they respond to drugs. Plenty of pros were very scrawny to begin with. Ever see early pics of Ferigno? Some people resond to juice better then others.
I have known several people who juiced and still didn’t look good and then others who looked just as you would expect… awesome. You ever see that new documentary bigger, stronger, faster? Two of the three brothers are juicers.
One of them looks pretty good but not incredibly impressive given that you know he is on the sauce. The second brother was a dud wrestler back in the WWF back in the day. His body is just garbage juice or no juice.
You can have “great insertion points” but if you don’t respond well to the drugs you are not going to be a pro contender. You need both. You don’t need “good genetics” in a natural lifting sense.
You need good genetics in terms of roids working better on you and the average person. A lot better. A lot has been said that Lee Priest doesn’t even take that high a dose. It just works really really well on him.
This is just my little rant on what i consider “good genetics” in bodybuidling. Does it matter if Levrone looks like that natural and out of shape if he takes a little sauce and 6 weeks later he looks better then anyone who has ever posted to this forum?
I have yet to see a pro who did not already vastly surpass his friends and other gym goers back in his natural days.
A million idiots are on drugs and still don’t improve much. They also SUCK as naturals. The reason has nothing to do with how well they respond to drugs, it is in their training and diet approach.
Those are the morons who use hyper-complicated cycles of 8 different, uber-exotic compounds and all the while completely fail to understand what truly matters if one wants to get big.
You can juice all you want, if you train and eat like the people who tell everyone that “I’m natural and thus can’t gain more than 5 lbs a year”, nothing will help you.
What do you think is the ultimate effect that drugs (not talking about gh or insulin here) actually have on your training? I’m not talking about “increased protein absorption” or some such, I mean the actual end-result (and if you say: “they make you bigger”, then you don’t understand a thing).
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Good post. Are people really arguing that Kevin only looks like he did in peak condition because of drugs?
ANYONE, no matter how big they may be, has the potential to look really small if they set out to starve the muscle off their bodies which is what he has done. For anyone to make the statement that he looks small now simply because he quit steroids is just stupid.
He doesn’t look the way he does now by accident and most large bodybuilders are NOT going to shrink like that even if they quit lifting seriously. He trains to look like that now and eats in a way to reduce his muscle mass (ie. like most of the people on this forum who seem to think drugs are needed to gain more than 5lbs a year).