I do not nor have I ever gone out and prostelitized my non belief in a “god”, and that is what i believe a lot
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Don’t look now, but you just did… LOL!
For reason to survive, Atheism must die. It’s illogical.[/quote]
It’s funny. So-called atheists never, ever seem to note the irony when chanting this particular one of their atheistic mantras.
Where are all of these Christian “shoving their beliefs” down our aggregate throats? I have never encountered them outside of fringe links posted by, you guessed it, atheists.
The vast majority of prostelitizing(sic) that I have been exposed to have been roundly, vocally, ear-splittingly atheist dogma.
Don’t believe me? Do a quick check on the religious affiliation of the OPs of the last 15 threads about religion and see which names turn up.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
There is nothing wrong with atheism per se, in a lot of ways it is much more sensible than a belief in God. Atheism is simply looking at the world through a rational lens and saying there is no “proof” of the divine, belief in God on the other hand relies totally on your ability to convince yourself that there is an invisible and all-powerful being that has some degree of concern about how you feel and behave, on paper it makes atheists look much less crazy. Now for the record I am religious (Catholic) and I believe in God, I have two brothers that are both atheists, I don’t try to convince them of my beliefs and they don’t try to convince me of theirs, none of us are serial killers (playing the odds on that) and all of us do stuff to help out our communities and neighbors. The real test is this, I believe that when we die we go to heaven, my brothers believe we turn into dirt (eventually), either way we’ll all end up the same place in the end, so who cares what you believe, it is what you do that counts.[/quote]
You must be snorting bath salts. This makes no sense what so ever. Both cannot be right, hence there is either something wrong with theism or atheism. And if you go to heaven and your brother’s are in the dirt, you are not in the same place. I don’t really see how you can say that dirt on the earth and heaven are the same place.
Atheism is irrational because it requires belief in something from nothing, and that is logically impossible and there is nothing anybody can do about it. So on paper, it’s still irrational. On the face of it, it’s still irrational.
It’s just wishful thinking and nothing more.[/quote]
This guy’s just a troll, Pat. He’s best ignored. He purports to being a Catholic while supporting socialist policies, Obama, the democratic party, abortion, and every other belief you could imagine that is as far from Christianity as you can get. The final straw with me was his talking about how he attends Mass and then takes a packet of jelly to dip the Eucharist in. You’re wasting your time with this imbecile.
Nope. If I am right we all go to heaven, if they are right we all turn to dirt it is very simple. We will either be judged by our actions on earth or we won’t, if we are good people doing good things, why would it matter, the end result will be the same. You can’t believe that anyone that doesn’t believe in your God goes to hell can you? Think of all the people that came before Jesus, think of all the people that due to geography were never exposed to his teachings, there are so many ways to look at it, if you are an atheist, but a good person that does everything the way God wants you to (aside from belief) how can you say that person doesn’t go to heaven?
You know that the “jelly” comment was a joke (because I said as much in the next post) in response to your pronouncement that I better not take the Eucharist. It must burn the ass of people like yourself that the Catholic Church, in its truest form is an example of almost pure “Socialism”, the fact that the American Bishops have moved far to the right is not an example of Catholic teachings it is an example of the reactionary rhetoric that is destroying parts of America. And LOL at “Obama and the Democratic Party” being far removed from Christianity, I suppose you mean to say that as the alternative the GOP embraces Christianity. You may want to file a revised biography of Christ as a guy that preferred guns and bombs over caring for the poor and the ill.
Nope. If I am right we all go to heaven, if they are right we all turn to dirt it is very simple. We will either be judged by our actions on earth or we won’t, if we are good people doing good things, why would it matter, the end result will be the same. You can’t believe that anyone that doesn’t believe in your God goes to hell can you? Think of all the people that came before Jesus, think of all the people that due to geography were never exposed to his teachings, there are so many ways to look at it, if you are an atheist, but a good person that does everything the way God wants you to (aside from belief) how can you say that person doesn’t go to heaven? [/quote]
Actions like supporting the murder of innocents? You bet. It’s clear you don’t know what you are talking about and you don’t know shit about the faith you are claiming. If you did, you wouldn’t have said the stupid shit you just did. If Cortes is even partially correct, you technically are in de facto excommunication, which therefore technically, you aren’t currently Catholic until you have reconciled yourself.
You’d be better served joining your brothers. You speak and act more like an atheist than a Christian. You should convert, they’re desperate for more suckers.
Since you know nothing of my standing with the church (de facto excommunication? Seriously, do you guys just pull stuff out of your asses) or my faith, I think it’s funny that you have chosen to attack me and not the statement. Feel free to respond to the actual meat of the statement, and since you brought up abortion, please tell me what happens to their souls as well (bearing in mind the concept of original sin).
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
I suppose you mean to say that as the alternative the GOP embraces Christianity. You may want to file a revised biography of Christ as a guy that preferred guns and bombs over caring for the poor and the ill.[/quote]
Now where in the Bible did Christ say that he wanted the government to raise taxes in order to help the poor? Your logic, as usual, sucks B r i a n.
Christ wanted people to give whatever they perceived to be fair. And in the old testament a tithing of 10% was encouraged. In case you don’t know what that means, it’s not a tax to be paid to the government it was money given (freely without threat of incarceration from the government) to the Church.
Got it B r i a n?
One more thing if you think Christ was in favor of aborting an unborn child and homosexual marriage (both things the democrats stand for) you’re even further removed from reality than I originally thought.
Since you know nothing of my standing with the church (de facto excommunication? Seriously, do you guys just pull stuff out of your asses) or my faith, I think it’s funny that you have chosen to attack me and not the statement. Feel free to respond to the actual meat of the statement, and since you brought up abortion, please tell me what happens to their souls as well (bearing in mind the concept of original sin).[/quote]
YOU are the one who spouted off about being pro choice. That means that you are for killing an unborn child. And we know that that Catholic Church has said that anyone who supports such an action should not take the communion.
interesting retort, well thought out and as usual, reflective of your ability to handle dissent.
ZEB,
“Now where in the Bible did Christ say that he wanted the government to raise taxes in order to help the poor? Your logic, as usual, sucks B r i a n.”
I don’t know where I said that he did ZEB, I think you may be reading someone elses posts.
“One more thing if you think Christ was in favor of aborting an unborn child and homosexual marriage (both things the democrats stand for) you’re even further removed from reality than I originally thought.”
I will assume that Christ was anti-abortion but I doubt he would be anti-gay marriage, he hung out with hookers and tax collectors and he never said anything about gays one way or the other, I am erring on the side of happy, friendly hippie Jesus.
“YOU are the one who spouted off about being pro choice. That means that you are for killing an unborn child.”
As I have discussed with my priest, I am not in favor of abortion, I would never choose it nor would my wife, but I refuse to force my views on others and I believe that each person, under the law and within their own conscience, has to make that decision for themselves. My priest still lets me take communion.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]I don’t doubt it.
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Oh, please, Tirib. It’s one thing to speak your mind, but you are doing nothing but supporting this fool with statements like this, in this kind of thread. And you don’t know what priests know about their congregation.
The priests I know personally will not, by God you had better believe they WILL NOT give communion to someone they know for a fact to be out of communion with the church.
This is honestly nothing but a completely unprovable cheap shot at the Church. I could just as easily suggest that I don’t doubt the leaders of Calvinist ministries pocket a certain amount of the tithe they receive and spend it on personal vices.
EDIT: Typos corrected and paragraph added for clarity.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Why does god need our money?
If a priest were honest couldn’t he just say he needs some bread to stay alive?
His compassionate sheople would comply.[/quote]
Original. Want to talk about your daddy issues? Or do you want to stop making false generalizations and treating persons like abstractions. Or, is that too intellectually rigorous for you?
And I personally believe he does not actually even attend church and is likely not even a Catholic (in name only). Too much doesn’t add up, and NOTHING he says gives any indication that he would attend a Catholic church. EVERYTHING he believes is the opposite of what Catholics believe. If someone is so bullheadedly belligerent and allergic to ideas that conflict with his own, why on earth would he get up early every Sunday (or give up part of his Saturday evening) to go to a place where he’s going to be subjected to statement after statement that is in absolute conflict with basically every ethical and moral idea he possesses.
Sorry, I’m calling tubesteakboogie on this dude.
Pretty danged convenient, actually, that there just happens to appear, out of nowhere, a poster who is purportedly Catholic, yet who’s ideas are specifically aimed at riling up the Christians and conservatives on this board. If I were a troll, that would make a pretty good persona.
Even his profile is just a bit weird.
Whatever. You guys are welcome to keep encouraging him. I will not respond to him.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]I don’t doubt it.
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Oh, please, Tirib. It’s one thing to speak your mind, but you are doing nothing but supporting this fool with statements like this, in this kind of thread. And you don’t know what priests know about their congregation.
The priests I know personally will not, by God you had better believe they WILL NOT give communion to someone they know for a fact to be out of communion with the church.
This is honestly nothing but a completely unprovable cheap shot at the Church. I could just as easily suggest that I don’t doubt the leaders of Calvinist ministries pocket a certain amount of the tithe they receive and spend it on personal vices.
EDIT: Typos corrected and paragraph added for clarity. [/quote]This is the wrong thread for this and is better handled in the still upcoming discussion of the ekklesia and authority. My remark was uncalled for here.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This is the wrong thread for this and is better handled in the still upcoming discussion of the ekklesia and authority. My remark was uncalled for here.
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Thank you, yes. I don’t mind it being addressed elsewhere. The context and the subject regarding this particular poster was what got my hackles up.
Oh, and veiled death threats over the internet.