Why can’t we just pay the Russians to wipe New Jersey off the map? No offense, FI.
Fuck yourself, PR.
LOL.
You’ve gotta agree, though, right? I mean, we wouldn’t exactly be losing another Silicon Valley, would we? We’d just be losing a densely populated area full of rather low human capital. Why does the US need more people who are constantly saying, “How you doin’?” and “Dat bitch crazy!” into their cell phones? - you know, the tracksuit crowd.
I know you’re breaking my balls but it ain’t gonna happen. As long as fucks like you stay in fagafornia we’ll be OK here in Jersey. We don’t need any waitresses who think they’re going to be actresses and busboys who think they’re going to hit it big.
I must agree. California is a faggy state.
You’re supposed to add, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.” [/quote]
Firefly: over 71% of Americans in favor of it.
Says what poll? Or what source because Im sure I do not believe it. Also the military is free health care right? So its already government ran, correct? But cutting defense to support douchebags or those are not willing to work is wrong.
How do you like your TMC? Is it working out for your family? Or how about when a soldier is overweight, correct me if Im wrong but he can be forced on a diet, heard it from a barracks lawyer.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Firefly: over 71% of Americans in favor of it.
Says what poll? Or what source because Im sure I do not believe it. Also the military is free health care right? So its already government ran, correct? But cutting defense to support douchebags or those are not willing to work is wrong.
How do you like your TMC? Is it working out for your family? Or how about when a soldier is overweight, correct me if Im wrong but he can be forced on a diet, heard it from a barracks lawyer. [/quote]
Gallup actually and to clarify that is 71% in favor of healthcare reform…so that doesn’t mean all in favor of the current proposal. Free healthcare? I suppose one could look at it that way. Or one could look at what the payscale is for the work we do and see the healthcare as part of the payment.
I never said that giving healthcare to those not willing to work is wrong. To give an example: I know a guy who is in LE and has been for 22 years. The year he joined his curren dept. the town voted to not extend healthcare once an officer retired starting with that year. He began looking for other jobs and then was told it was no big deal that the next negotiation would take care of it. It never did. Now he is third highest ranked memeber in the Department with all that time in and when he retires will have to pay for healthcare on his own. So here’s a guy putting his life on the line every day (and several attempts have been made by criminals using vehicles and weapons) that will have zero healthcare for himself and hi family. Now should have gotten a different job? Maybe…probably…but nonetheless public healthcare could really help someone like that.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
The subs were probably always around, our government just decided to let us know about it. Nothing like a little late disinformation to plant the “sneaky Ruskie” idea into our heads.
What’s 200 miles to a sub-launched ICBM? The same as 1000 or 2000 miles. They’d never let one loose.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.[/quote]
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
[quote]fireflyz wrote:
Holy hell, some of you need to take a basic economics course. Our defense budget is plenty big as it stands, larger than many nation’s entire budgets. [/quote]
Male it larger than all other defense budgets COMBINED and then you are on to something.
[quote]orion wrote:
fireflyz wrote:
Holy hell, some of you need to take a basic economics course. Our defense budget is plenty big as it stands, larger than many nation’s entire budgets.
Male it larger than all other defense budgets COMBINED and then you are on to something.
The US has no defense budget though.
It has an offense budget.
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The best defense is being able to kill everyone in the world at a moment’s notice. You’re silly.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
orion wrote:
fireflyz wrote:
Holy hell, some of you need to take a basic economics course. Our defense budget is plenty big as it stands, larger than many nation’s entire budgets.
Male it larger than all other defense budgets COMBINED and then you are on to something.
The US has no defense budget though.
It has an offense budget.
The best defense is being able to kill everyone in the world at a moment’s notice. You’re silly.[/quote]
Having the capacity to kill everyone on this planet 20 times over, that is silly.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.[/quote]
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.[/quote]
That is why militarism is Americas socialism.
Because they will find something you are willing to pay for and then fleece you.
Hell, over 40 Senators voted to keep producing a plane that only flies when the sun shines and even then it needs a personal psychologist. Not even the Pentagon wants it. But of course there is still money to be made.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.[/quote]
So we are going by the Constitution to the letter? An absolutist view? If it is not specifically spelled out then we aren’t to follow it? In that case we better go back in time before John Marshall and remove just about everything that has followed since. As to popular opinion…this is a democracy yes? If a significant majority of Americans want healthcare to be reformed then shouldn’t their represenatives elected to represent them look into thier demands? Or is it the job of government to run itself as it sees fit irregardless of their constituents?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Today you say this about New Jersey…
FightinIrish26 wrote:
some of the best health care…
I’ll take it any day.
A couple of days ago you say this about the USA…
The quality of health care sucks in this country as is. It can’t deteriorate much farther.
Hmmmmmmmm…what are we Nationeers supposed to think about this incongruity?
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You’re supposed to read the fucking post and figure out that I meant it’s some of the best in the country. This country. And then you’re supposed to go buy a book on reading comprehension.
I’ll throw some talking animals and voices in the sky in the next post so you understand it a little better.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.
So we are going by the Constitution to the letter? An absolutist view? If it is not specifically spelled out then we aren’t to follow it?
[/quote]
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.
So we are going by the Constitution to the letter? An absolutist view? If it is not specifically spelled out then we aren’t to follow it?
That is how a Republic works, yes.
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Absolutist views, rarely, if ever hold up or turn out to be beneficial. Even Jefferson saw this when he made the Louisiana purchase which at the time went against his views. Again, if what you say is the case, then the country would need to revert to a time before John Marshall.
We’re paying for the uninsured already…I’d rather find a way to do it cheaper and lower premiums…which I guess makes me part of the 71% in favor of healthcare reform.
how many people (citizens) are uninsured? how much will it cost? give me numbers then we can talk about this ridiculous health care plan. and just because 71% are in favor, does it make it right or equitable? lol! popular opinion is a poor way to craft policy.
Read the Constitution, it says provide for the common defense, not give everyone insurance. Pay for your own dam,n doctor bills.
So we are going by the Constitution to the letter? An absolutist view? If it is not specifically spelled out then we aren’t to follow it?
That is how a Republic works, yes.
Absolutist views, rarely, if ever hold up or turn out to be beneficial. Even Jefferson saw this when he made the Louisiana purchase which at the time went against his views. Again, if what you say is the case, then the country would need to revert to a time before John Marshall. [/quote]
Yes it would.
That does not change that a constitution has to be amended to change.
People just exchanged that for what they thought the constitution might have said if you are really, really drunk and want something very bad.
So firefly your poor LE friend had no insurance, boo-hoo. I mean I respected his public service like I respect yours, but guess what I found a way to get insurance a damn good insurance. I was like you served 6 years and proudly. Went to school and found a job with great insurance which only cost me 100 dollars a month to cover all my family.
I mean really, my son was in ICU for 21 days, the bill came out to 2 million dollars, I paid only 2500 hundred. The insurance company sure screwed me over, right? Im sorry a retired LE can find a way to get insurance. Also who says its a company’s job to take care of one once they no longer produces for them? Is this the entitlement mentality? Im sorry I work two hours, I get paid 2 hrs. Its there responsibility to take care of me once I no longer work for them.
The health care system has worked for me, of course I live in a great state, Texas. If this bill passes I hope we invoke our right to the 10th Amendment.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
So firefly your poor LE friend had no insurance, boo-hoo. I mean I respected his public service like I respect yours, but guess what I found a way to get insurance a damn good insurance. I was like you served 6 years and proudly. Went to school and found a job with great insurance which only cost me 100 dollars a month to cover all my family.
I mean really, my son was in ICU for 21 days, the bill came out to 2 million dollars, I paid only 2500 hundred. The insurance company sure screwed me over, right? Im sorry a retired LE can find a way to get insurance. Also who says its a company’s job to take care of one once they no longer produces for them? Is this the entitlement mentality? Im sorry I work two hours, I get paid 2 hrs. Its there responsibility to take care of me once I no longer work for them.
The health care system has worked for me, of course I live in a great state, Texas. If this bill passes I hope we invoke our right to the 10th Amendment. [/quote]
Now you’re either being incredibly inane or just an asshole. I didn’t say he doesn’t currently have insurance as he does and it’s pretty damn good. He wont’ later. Where did I say that the insurance company screwed anyone over? Where did I say that any of this was specifically about the insurance company? Have you heard of retirement packages? What’s entitled about working with a company with the understanding that part of your benefits will continue after you retire??
I said that he probably should have gotten a different job…but the town that employed him has dangled the carrot of health insurance after putting in 20+ years everytime officers have threatened to leave. Now, can he pay out of his own pocket to obtain health insurance? Of course, but it’s pretty outrageous. In the area I’m from he found quotes averaging around 1200 a month for him and his wife and shitty copays. So yeah…do I think that there should be a cheaper alternative? Yeah I do. When someone has put his ass on the line for 22 years for the public then I don’t think it’s out of the question to make sure he doesn’t go bankrupt trying to enjoy the rest of his life.
Healthcare in America has certainly worked for some, but if we are the greatest nation on earth then why can’t it work for all? I’m not neccessarily advocating the current proposal before Congress either. Anyone who has tried to work with the VA knows that free healthcare to all can be a bitch. I’ve had to wait six months to be seen for injuries sustained while over there. I don’t believe that there has been a concerted effort to streamline the VA and certainly the VA was unprepared for the amount of troops that would come in since the beginning of the war. The current proposal contains aspects I like and aspects that give me cause for concern. However, I think that if done properly and not rushed through for the sake of a political feather in Obama’s cap, that healthcare reform could do wonders for people.
EDIT: Removed a portion that was offtopic as I added it when in a pissed off mood and I generally was only looking for good discussion and nothing more.
