[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Are gun owners against mental health screenings and safety courses? I own several guns and may get an ar15 in the next week or so in case of a ban fyi. [/quote]
I’m not a gun owner but I am against any sort of screening process for any reason at all from government institutions - mostly because the government is filled with incompetent rejects that only work for the government because they cannot do anything else productive.
Property owners, on the other hand, have the right to screen other people before entering their property if they wish but the government does not have this right.[/quote]
To buy certain weapons you have to pass a screening by a private doctor, not a gov doctor. How’s that?[/quote]
Mandated by whom? The free market?
You jest, right?[/quote]
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
You were owned Zeb. It’s crystal clear. Let it go. [/quote]
Hey, the man who wants to ignore me continues to attack me. This reminds me of your political positions. One moment you are a libertarian and the next a liberal. LOL…you’re the schizophrenic poster.
I’ve won and lost debates, over the years that one I won. But I wonder why you would bring that here? I thought you were worried about the integrity of the thread. No…I guess that was the other H factor. By the way I posted a pretty lengthy piece on why gun control is not the answer. Yet you didn’t respond to that. Which H factor was that who wanted to stay on topic?
Well, one thing for sure, people may like me or hate me but at least they know what I’m all about and where I’m coming from. Unlike you I don’t run all over the site trying to play both sides from the middle.
And since you are a libertarian (at least part of the time) you should be really upset over Barack Obama raising the debt and his many other liberal policies like national health care.
But for some reason I’ve not read much from you on these things. Yet, you find the time to attack GW Bush and Ronald Reagan.
Now why do you suppose that is?
As a liberal are you still blaming GW Bush, as you did in prior threads?
Here’s why your so upset with me H factor…
You don’t like the fact that I’m calling you out on your bullshit. I’ve outed you for the lefty that you are. And that pisses you off to no end.
Simple.[/quote]
You annoy me, you don’t piss me off. You stalk me from thread to thread with your bizarre obsession over my posts. You ignore any post I make that doesn’t fit the description of what you hope I am. You don’t try to run from who you are? Read the national debt thread again. You constantly rail against big government when it’s the Democrats and talk about how government is the problem but lap it up from the right side. No one knows who you are. A guy who hates expanding government except for when Reagan did it? A guy who hates the government getting bigger except where GWB did?
I called you out on your bullshit and it pissed YOU off. You’ve been trying to call me out ever since that happened. You started by calling me a stalker (funny from a guy who attacks every thread I post in). That didn’t work and people called you out. So you started calling me a liberal. People called you out again and told you to shut up again. You’re a troll who should have been banned a long time ago. You add nothing to this place. Your only purpose is to troll people and that has pretty much what you’ve done for years on here. A very sad life you must lead. [/quote]
Still can’t seem to find the ignore button huh? I guess that was the side of you that want’s to run away and hide. The other side that just can’t believe that you’re being called out for your bullshit is in charge right now- LOL. Part of your schizoid personality…“I’m a libertarian…I’m a liberal”
As for stalking it seems that you were the one who was following me all over T Nation. But at the time you thought it was funny. Do you have that poor of a memory? As for me I’ve only called you out on a couple threads…just getting warmed up.
So far, (since your comeback shall we say) as I’ve pointed out you’ve attacked conservatives yet shy away from criticizing Obama. I bring it up again only to point out the fact that the many times I’ve called you on it you’ve still not responded. You think Obama is a really good President and it’s all Bush’s fault right? You’ve said it before. That’s when you were being liberal and not a libertarian…Ha.
In short your a phoney. While I disagree with the many liberals on this site I actually respect them for their beliefs. I think they’re wrong, but at least they have the courage to stand by what they believe. They don’t pretend to be one thing while trying to play both ends from the middle.
You’re a spineless poser who got caught and doesn’t like it very much.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Are gun owners against mental health screenings and safety courses? I own several guns and may get an ar15 in the next week or so in case of a ban fyi. [/quote]
I’m not a gun owner but I am against any sort of screening process for any reason at all from government institutions - mostly because the government is filled with incompetent rejects that only work for the government because they cannot do anything else productive.
Property owners, on the other hand, have the right to screen other people before entering their property if they wish but the government does not have this right.[/quote]
To buy certain weapons you have to pass a screening by a private doctor, not a gov doctor. How’s that?[/quote]
My issue with the screening is what exactly is going to be screened for? Who decides what are the correct questions and correct responses? That’s why I said the details may be important. Clearly if one has some kind of documented history that raises some serious red flags I could be swayed, but the government deciding the questions is iffy to me like Lift said. You’re ok with THEM deciding who is ok to be armed and who is not? Why?
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Open and frank discussion would be need to determine the answers to your questions.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Even if screening someone worked what would the test be? And just because someone has a history is that a reason to deny them the right to protect themselves?
If it does not produce 100% accuracy then there is no point because it will just cost money while not achieving its stated goal.
Rather than taking guns away we should hand them out to everyone.[/quote]
Sounds great, except reality is a grey area and 100% is nearly impossible in any situation.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Are gun owners against mental health screenings and safety courses? I own several guns and may get an ar15 in the next week or so in case of a ban fyi. [/quote]
I’m not a gun owner but I am against any sort of screening process for any reason at all from government institutions - mostly because the government is filled with incompetent rejects that only work for the government because they cannot do anything else productive.
Property owners, on the other hand, have the right to screen other people before entering their property if they wish but the government does not have this right.[/quote]
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Even if screening someone worked what would the test be? And just because someone has a history is that a reason to deny them the right to protect themselves?
If it does not produce 100% accuracy then there is no point because it will just cost money while not achieving its stated goal.
Rather than taking guns away we should hand them out to everyone.[/quote]
Well said again Lifty. Studies show that in areas where there is more gun ownership violent crime numbers are down. The bad guys don’t want to shoot it out they want easy prey.
But those are studies that the left does not care to look at.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Are gun owners against mental health screenings and safety courses? I own several guns and may get an ar15 in the next week or so in case of a ban fyi. [/quote]
I’m not a gun owner but I am against any sort of screening process for any reason at all from government institutions - mostly because the government is filled with incompetent rejects that only work for the government because they cannot do anything else productive.
Property owners, on the other hand, have the right to screen other people before entering their property if they wish but the government does not have this right.[/quote]
To buy certain weapons you have to pass a screening by a private doctor, not a gov doctor. How’s that?[/quote]
Mandated by whom? The free market?
You jest, right?[/quote]
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The 2nd amendment is kept alive by you taking the matter into your own hands, not by begging for permission from someone else.
I am not confident of the “proof” that anyone is sane.
You screen for known mental illnesses and take a drug test. Our gov isn’t perfect, but I think the majority of people would pass just fine. If you fail you get treatment and if your treatment works your good to go. Is that not reasonable?
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
Permit denied.
Next!
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And why is that?[/quote]
Because obviously no sane person would believe they need a cannon. Therefore, your desire for a cannon is evidence, on it’s face, that you’re not sane.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
Permit denied.
Next!
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But it’s okay for the overlords to have them and use them against defenseless people, right?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Are gun owners against mental health screenings and safety courses? I own several guns and may get an ar15 in the next week or so in case of a ban fyi. [/quote]
I’m not a gun owner but I am against any sort of screening process for any reason at all from government institutions - mostly because the government is filled with incompetent rejects that only work for the government because they cannot do anything else productive.
Property owners, on the other hand, have the right to screen other people before entering their property if they wish but the government does not have this right.[/quote]
To buy certain weapons you have to pass a screening by a private doctor, not a gov doctor. How’s that?[/quote]
Mandated by whom? The free market?
You jest, right?[/quote]
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The 2nd amendment is kept alive by you taking the matter into your own hands, not by begging for permission from someone else.
I am not confident of the “proof” that anyone is sane.[/quote]
There may actually come a time when freedom has to be taught for in America by American against our government, but that tome is not now. We as a people still can run the show and we as a people can make the 2nd ammendment work while making America safer. It’s not a black and white issue.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
Permit denied.
Next!
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And why is that?[/quote]
Because obviously no sane person would believe they need a cannon. Therefore, your desire for a cannon is evidence, on it’s face, that you’re not sane.
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Failed logic fails.
A cannon is a tool that can be used for many things - for example, to scare off critters from one’s property - or for entertainment purposes on 4th of July.
The fact that you think it only has one purpose exposes your mental defect.
What if you had a weapon just as effective as a gun minus the killing part. Like point, aim, shoot, boom they are unconscious for an hour or so guaranteed. I’m not saying one exists right now but if there was.[/quote]
Minus the killing part means plus he is coming back for vengeance.
Would you wish that on your wife?
Would you enjoy your freedom being at leisure or at work in the knowledge that an animal with no conscience is coming back to violate what is only yours?
And where do we “store” this unconscious animal once he regains consciousness?
Are you ok with paying to keep evil alive?
What is your plan for dealing with the rapist that regains consciousness?
Sure I can use a tranquilizer gun. But then what? What system do you have in place to ensure I am safe from that threat and at what cost?
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Okay that is a fair answer. Death penalty for an attempted crime.[/quote]
And yet you enjoy the death penalty for the crime of being unborn and minding one’s business in the womb.
Yes, it is her body and it is my body, too, being violated with this rapist.
Be consistent.
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Not sure what you mean there. I did not disprove of what you said even though it may have been interpreted as sarcastic, which it was not.[/quote]
You are right. I never though of it that way before. Tell me more!
“Death penalty for an attempted crime” instead of self defense from grave bodily injury or death from a violent criminal threat.
Your capacity for spinning the wheel is astounding! It would probably make you a good shooter.
I never thought that such spin was possible, thank you for showing me what your mind is capable of.
Good luck to your wife should she ever need you to defend her with your Star Trek Phaser.
And may the government always be there on time to protect her when the rapist wakes up from his innocent sleep.
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Again, not sure what you mean there. I was on your side here. I would prefer my wife kill the attacker vs the police arresting them if I had to choose between the two cases.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
Permit denied.
Next!
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But it’s okay for the overlords to have them and use them against defenseless people, right?[/quote]
Please stay where you are, we’ll be sending someone for you shortly.
No mandated by the people. Things are going to change and I’m okay with that, but as a law abiding citizen I should be able to buy a freaking cannon if I want to, this is still America after all. I am; however, willing to prove I’m a sane and compotent owner. I think that’s reasonable to ask and I’m happy to ablige if it means keeping the 2nd ammendment alive.
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The very fact that you feel you need a canon proves you are not sane and have only the slightest grasp on reality.
Permit denied.
Next!
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And why is that?[/quote]
Because obviously no sane person would believe they need a cannon. Therefore, your desire for a cannon is evidence, on it’s face, that you’re not sane.
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According to who? I never said anything about need. Maybe I own 100 acres of farm land and like cannnons. What’s insane about that. I think it’s insane to buy 10 cars, but this is America last I checked. Very few things in life we actually “need”.
According to who? I never said anything about need. Maybe I own 100 acres of farm land and like cannnons. What’s insane about that. I think it’s insane to buy 10 cars, but this is America last I checked. Very few things in life we actually “need”.[/quote]
I’m sorry, I’m just having some fun at your expense and trying to point out how horribly wrong things can (will) go if we start letting the same people who run the post office, start screening gun owners for mental competence. I think it’s a road that no gun owner would want to go down.
You want an assault rifle? You’re obviously unfit to own one.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You screen for known mental illnesses and take a drug test. Our gov isn’t perfect, but I think the majority of people would pass just fine. If you fail you get treatment and if your treatment works your good to go. Is that not reasonable?[/quote]
Many states already have laws in place and a permit process and background check. And you want to bring the federal government in on it? My gosh from health care to gun ownership. We can’t make a move without big daddy involved.
Look, I know your heart is in the right place on the issue. But I could not disagree more.
According to who? I never said anything about need. Maybe I own 100 acres of farm land and like cannnons. What’s insane about that. I think it’s insane to buy 10 cars, but this is America last I checked. Very few things in life we actually “need”.[/quote]
I’m sorry, I’m just having some fun at your expense and trying to point out how horribly wrong things can (will) go if we start letting the same people who run the post office, start screening gun owners for mental competence. I think it’s a road that no gun owner would want to go down.
You want an assault rifle? You’re obviously unfit to own one.
Yeah, no thanks.
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That’s what I thought, but sometimes it’s difficult to tell. Especially on this forum. I’m for discussion and I think it’s an option. I don’t think the gov should be involved except at the state level and only to verify a screening took place.