Back in the '70’s I had a PDR. There were 4 different orals in that PDR: Dianabol, Anavar, Winstrol, and Anadrol. For the very most part, our group of guys stayed away from Anadrol. I did a couple cycles of Anadrol at the start of a 8 to 12 cycle for no more than a four week span.
Our Bro-science at the time was;
Dianabol: the very best bang for the buck for size, strength, and safety
Anadrol: expect great gains in size, strength, water bloat, and pray for your liver
Anavar: best oral for a clean, hard look, but not as much strength or size. This was the contest go-to oral.
Winstrol: nice for size.
I should say that we didn’t take real high doses of any of these orals, but we always incorporated orals in every cycle.
I think I may start a cycle log here for three reasons:
To allow other newbs like me insight into the inner workings of someone doing their first cycle. They can learn from any and all mistakes i make.
I don’t want to clutter the forum with needless new topics
It’ll allow me to easily track my progress, ups and downs, feelings etc.
Ok, so this morning was my first pin.
23g needle (0,6x30 mm)
Right ventrogluteal injection
HANDS 'A SHAKING!!!
I’m pinning inside my office bathroom first thing in the AM when I get there before everyone and there’s no one around. Needless to say this isn’t an ideal setting. For anyone reading: don’t do drugs in your bathroom at work! This is either extra hardcore or extra stupid. I presume the latter. I can’t pin at home because I haven’t told the missus yet and I do have a pretty nice and sanitary bathroom at work. Anyhow…
The process went as follows;
Wash hands
Clean ampule with 70% alcohol swab. Break ampule.
Draw with a 21g needle. Draw in a bit of air so there’s no solution left in the draw needle.
Switch to a 23g needle (30mm)
I felt for the muscle, wiggled my leg around to feel for a contraction (it’s not that easy to find the VG for the first time)
Disinfect the pin area with an alcohol swab
Gently insert the needle into the muscle
Silently panic while looking at the needle sticking out of your fucking leg.
9.Gently push on the syringe, stopping half way through. Wait for 30 seconds then slowly push the rest into the muscle.
Leave the needle inside and wait for another 30 seconds for the oil to dissipate.
Remove needle and press on the injection site with an alcohol swab.
Start feeling a slight tingling sensation run down your leg all the while maintaining silent panic mode.
Get a grip on yourself and realize the sensation is no different from any other intramuscular shot you’ve received throughout your lifetime
Pack up all your shit being careful not to leave any open syringes lying about.
Continue with your day as if nothing happened.
One thing I forgot to do because of silent panic mode was to
A) aspirate (I realize this isn’t necessary but since it was my first injection I wanted to be extra careful I was hitting the muscle)
B) Implement the “Z” injection technique.
Both A and B flew out the window as my mind went blank before injection.
I’ll help out a little because I’m generous that way.
Doesn’t hurt, but this is not at all required. The WHO no longer advises this as part of safe injection practices.
Order of operations is incorrect here. The air goes in before the oil so that there’s a bubble at the end. Otherwise it won’t push out the last little bit that’s trapped in the dead space. This is also unnecessary if you wish to skip it. However, you skipped the thing that’s actually important here: inject air into the vial first. You’re taking out a volume of oil and you want to replace it with a similar volume of air.
Entirely unnecessary and more likely to cause harm than do any good. Slowly injecting is significantly better than stopping and restarting. You’re doing a thing that has some downside and no upside.
(The second one) Also unnecessary. The oil is in there. Leaving the needle in doesn’t change that.
As far as aspirating it’s not necessary or helpful. You hit a muscle. I assure you that unless you’re doing this blindfolded you absolutely hit muscle. I’ve been doing this for almost four years, pinned a dozen locations, and have never hit a vein. You’re good, don’t even worry about it.
Having done IM oil based injections in excess of 30 years, (I now do sub-q injections) on at least 5 occasions I have hit a vein and some oil went directly back to my heart. From there it goes to your lungs. And you will definitely know when that happens. You smell a medicine-like odor and instantly feel an intense need to cough. This lasts for a few minutes, but not long. On one occasion it felt as if a clump of higher viscosity fluid went through my heart
I have been told here on this forum that it isn’t possible, yet I did experience the above. Take the information as you wish. Believe it or not. I never shared this information apart from this forum which I just joined last fall.
Why not start the Novla week 13? Your T will decline leaving elevated E (500 converted levels of E with declining T) early on. Something to stop hyperactive E makes sense.
I don’t any actual scientific basis for my thought, but my first assumption is that injection would not absorb at the rate I intended. I wondered if I didn’t waste a large percentage of its value.
Nolva doesn’t stock hyperactive E. Its not an antiestrogen. As for the purposes of PCT you need to wait for the long ester to clear which is 3-4 weeks.
I’ll never forget the advice I got from my buddy as he handed me the gear for my first cycle. He said you sure you want to do this I said yeah. He said ok I want you to know before you get halfway thru this cycle you will be planning your next. Very true words
Just to point out, I have single-use glass ampules that you break off the top. I didn’t know that you should insert air into those.
Thanks for the input. I’ll try to un-complicate things as i progress. And thanks for the shown generosity.
I’ve yet to see a heroin addict lift 500 pounds off the floor. Maybe if he left his shit under a really heavy piece of furniture and is desperate for his next hit.
I’m easing her into the idea. I showed her my test results and I don’t think she would mind me being on prescribed trt. She would however most likely go apeshit if she knew I was injecting above-normal quantities of testosterone that I received in the mail.
UPDATE 05.02.2021.
Only some slight PIP the next day in the form of tenderness at the place of injection. Nothing out of the ordinary.
I feel pretty much the same apart from thinking I have a bit more concentration and focus. I feel a bit less sleepy than usual. I’m thinking this is just a placebo effect. Nothing extraordinary can happen after just one shot of test. Right?
All the girls I dated and women I married said to the person, “You’re big enough. Why do you want to get bigger. I like you the way you are.” I never had the heart to say, “I ain’t doing this for you.”
Unsolicited opinion, please let me know if you disagree.
The way I have seen this issue: intellectual balance.
If the lady perceives herself as the “brainier” one in the relationship, you will have a hard time convincing her.
If you understand the physiological and biological aspect of these drugs, and are generally a responsible person, I honestly think coming clean won’t cause major issues (at the very least TRT and then let time do it’s thing).
But don’t really listen to me too much, I could not imagine actually marrying someone lol
Some people don’t get too much shrinkage. Mine lost like half the size, a wife who sees them bad boys all the time will definitely notice.
Time to head to your local GNC store and buy some random “just for men” supplement, use this new supplement to explain the ball shrinkage. Might work lol
She might just think the dick got bigger as it will look bigger with smaller balls (especially if things like fat loss, and pubes are trimmed while on the cycle).
