For the record I very much enjoy training, but it would be naive to say that is is not, at least in part, because I enjoy the progress and results.
And to say that you would feel empty if you were suddenly at your strength / physique goals suggests a worrying emptiness in the rest of your life. Every training session is a trade off against other pleasures, pursuits and time spent with friends, families and loved ones.
If training provided no benefit whatsoever, would I still go to the gym for 2 hours? Nope.
It would be fair to say that if I suddenly had all the results I wouldnât enjoy training anymore, but thats the point, I wouldnât be doing it anymore.
For me, there is an end goal and there isnt. The goal is to be âMassive and strongâ but what really is considered being strong? Deadlift 500 or,600,700,800,900,1000?
As a youtuber once said âThe day you started lifting is the day you are forverer smallâ
This is quite true for me. I dont try setting limitations on what i will and wont do. I dont have good genetics but fuck it i may as well try my hardest. And i dont know when i will consider myself big or strong. I do know i will keep trying to better myself.
I do know though that ever since i was little i wanted to be big and strong, and i love âthe grindâ so below is where i tend to disagree.
I probably should have phrased that differently- but yeah you choose to train instead of not training. So youd rather train so you can get the benefits is what i was saying?
Thats pretty impressive man! So you achieved all your goals alot easier and didnt regret anything? Thats kind of different to an instant pill though. You still had to attend school and work to graduate.
A lot of it has to do with the number of responsibilities you will have in the future. Time management is a real issue when youâre older and, as @dchris said, efficient use of that time becomes important.
The part thatâs causing the disagreement here is that people are in different phases of life.
When I was in my 20s I needed the gym and the grind had a place in my life. Now that Iâm 33, married with two kids, and work full time I could use the time for other things. Hell, I might just pursue something else.
I could use some training in a combat sport. I could improve my conditioning. Iâd like to play more golf, softball, and basketball. Iâd like to hunt again. But since I would suck at all of these things without my gym results then I put my training first.
I could be average and do these things but the average American is obese. I donât want that. I want to be better than the average 21 year old (all testosterone and the bad eating hasnât caught up to them yet).
So as you age youâll probably change your mind. My life is only going to get busier as my kids get older and start playing sports, have school programs, etc.
Youâre not wrong; youâre just in a different place right now.
Itâs a bad look to say this and come right back. However, while weâre here, we can touch on a few things.
Saying that something is your opinion does not prevent that statement from being attacked. In reality, an opinion is one of those few statements that CAN be attacked. When a statement is a fact, it cannot be attacked (at least, not logically) due to the nature of it BEING a fact. It is simply a matter of fact. However, when a statement is an opinion, it opens itself TO attack because an opinion is merely a thought that is the result of experience and (in some cases) research, thus it has potential to be poorly formed or based off false pretenses.
With THAT having been said, in expressing an opinion, words matter significantly. In the example of your âprideâ opinion, you used âyouâ instead of âIâ when expressing how people would feel. In doing so, you remove autonomy from others, dictating how they would feel rather than expressing how you PERSONALLY would feel. This tends to stem from a limited worldview, wherein we presuppose that all agents experience reality in the same manner that we do, thus we can extrapolate our own feelings about an issue toward how others would feel. However, the more you read and learn and experience the world, the more you realize that this isnât the case and that, in many instances, you can only speak to how you personally would feel on the matter.
On the topic of your actual opinion, I simply donât share it. Pride is of little concern to me. I donât want results because I want the pride of having achieved the results; I simply want the results. There is a diseased part of my brain that compels me to want to be that way, and I do things to satiate my ID. I also, in turn, disagree with the money example. I work because it provides me income which I can use to take care of myself and my family. If I woke up tomorrow and found a billion dollars in my bank account, I would experience zero woe over having not earned it, but instead bliss that I no longer needed to work to obtain income.
Keep in mind that you extrapolated our thoughts on earnings and income as someone who has very little experience in the workforce and no career. You can imagine how such a presupposition would be poorly received.
I just want to add that the workplace isnât fair. You may earn something but still not get it. I would gladly take some lottery winnings and retire.
Come to think if it, I might prefer to have more money than I can spend. That would allow me to grind, play sports, and be with my family. I guess I donât need a pillâjust a ton of money.
Ha. This is where I jump off the agreement train. My wife and I talk about this all the time. I love working. Sheâd gladly not work and travel, shop, dine at nice restaurants.
Me, I love the challenge of work.
Conversely, If you removed the competition from work, Iâd take my money and go sit in a beach.
Disagreeing with opinions is fine. Talking down to people by saying âcool weâve reached the part of a thread where a 15 year old is going to tell grown adult men how they should feel about their own lives.â
Thats why i responded with " il just leave this thread now." Im up for discussion and everything else in this thread is fine but tbh that was uncalled for imo. I wasnt trying to tell anyone how they should feel, i was giving examples.
Ya, itâs funny. My wife is like you. Sheâd work part-time if we won the Mega Millions⊠Not this guy.
I would literally wake up, eat, relax, exercise, relax, eat, relax, and then sleep.
Lol, thatâs not completely true. I would love to pour a lot more time into my side business and digital artwork (something I desperately need time for).
I feel like alot of my posts get misinterpreted. This example wasnt comparing getting instant money and being super rich but rather a promotion you didnt earn.
Id much rather earn a promotion and work hard for it then be given it for no reason. If you work hard you deserve to be rewarded. If i wasnt working hard id rather a kick up the bum.
@ActivitiesGuy is one of the nicest even tempered posters on the site. He was hardly talking down to you and if you really feel he was then the interwebz might not be for you.
The truth of the matter is that you have a very limited set of experiences to base an opinion on. As all teenagers do. Donât take it personally, I would not take the opinion of any 15-year-old seriously.
I honestly couldnât do what you do. My brother in law was a cop for ~8-9 years; I donât know how he put up with seeing someone he arrested for domestic abuse, disorderly conduct, DUI etc in the church Sunday morning after arresting the night before. He somewhat recently (2 years ago) left to join a startup that creates field software for the police force.
@duketheslaya One of the first really good professors I had in college, in one of the first really hard classes I took looked me right in the eyes after grading a paper (in which I used the word âIâ a considerable amount) told me that, âYou donât get to have an opinion until youâve earned it, youâll know youâve earned it when youâre asked for it.â Probably the best sound bite of advice Iâve ever received, I still regularly use the âYes, Abandon Post.â on this site very, very frequently, ha.
