So decided to go private endo here in the UK. But I want to get my full hormone panel done to give him so we can start right away as my other checks have all been done different dates and times , just think be good to have them more recent and all st once.
So what do I need checking:
Total test
Free test
FSH
LH
SHBG
E2
DHEA
Androstenedione
TSH
FT3
FT4
Prolactin
Cortisol
Progesterone
Anything else?
Many thanks !
Hi, itâs been about a year and a half now. I could go on for ages but in short:
-Iâm on trt so test is at a good level (doing everything properly)
-Most of the usual problems discussed on this forum (E2, DHT, T3 etc.) have been at a good level either due to supplementation or adex with very little change to libido.
-Libido has been very low for the past year and a half (was raging until a few days into tren usage)
-I feel different compared to before tren; had a good sense of humour, used to feel more of a connection to others, I wanted the best for people, had more confidence and enjoyed my passions more. (I have always been highly sensitive to the way I feel so probably notice these things more, Iâm not super depressed or anything, I just donât enjoy life as much)
-Energy and drive isnât as good as it used to be.
The comprehensive adrenal test results just came back and thereâs all sorts shit wrong with it including below-range cortisol so thatâs actually quite encouraging. Will be working with an expert in the next few days. May consider Mariano in the future if necessary.
Seems like a good start. Make sure you get 24hr cortisol (4 tests through the day). If you want to add more: DHT, pregnenolone, ferritin, androsterone, might be useful but they can be expensive. Perhaps get them, if necessary, after the tests you mentioned above come back.
Edit: also rT3 but your doctor wonât know what to do with it and its usefulness is disputed. I recommend looking into it a bit.
Thatâs good to hear that you have a bit more clarity on what could be causing your issue! At least now you can try new things to fix it.
The nhs GP did my cortisol at 9am other week. Said it was in range but higher end of range. Said that suggests not Adrenal fatigue. But when I see private endo Iâll ask for the full adrenal check.
Hopefully that will give me more indications.
Thereâs the issue with endos mate. If your labs are within range theyâll tell you everythingâs fine. Perhaps youâll get lucky and find a private endo who will look into things further.
Well, There is a good starting place. The adrenals influence many things that happen in the brain⊠Progesterone and cortisol being the most important.
Find some guidence for adrenal help and you will see improvements. Its complicated but can be fixed⊠dont get discouraged or quit and your body will reward you.
Best,
Mark
Had a call to interpret my test results the other day. Very interesting. Apparently in the 25 years that the doctor has been interpreting the labs I took, he has never seen someone in such a hypometabolic state. I donât fully understand what this is yet but from what I have read, it would explain a lot, including why I now need T3 to feel okayish (despite having thyroid hormone levels that are at the top of the range when not supplementing T3) and why I couldnât build muscle as well after tren. Come to think of it, the tren actually made me smaller while I was on it. I have mitochondrial issues that I need to work on and also my glutathione detoxification pathway isnât working as it should be. Adrenal issues also. I donât know if fixing these things will bring libido back and neither did the doctor, but itâs a step in he right direction at least.
@lufc12 sorry for hijacking your thread mate!
Donât be sorry bud! I want us all to recover and itâs always positive to see that there is always a way to find out whatâs happening! Glad you have more of an idea thatâs definitely going to put you on the right path!
Iâm seeing specialist next Wednesday! Day before my 26th birthday! Last thing I want to be doing but needs must haha!
Hope it goes well, let us know
Endo was a dud, I knew more about this then he did. He didnât know what tren was (face palm) anyway Iâm going to get my bloods done that includes all the stuff I mentioned on the post other week and post them on here and see if anyone can see anything thatâs not right. I mentioned to him I wanted progesterone , DHEAS etc testing and he was like why? Your am cortisol is fine and wouldnât worry about other stuff. So anyone have any thoughts on that? Cheers
Itâs a shame but I canât say Iâm surprised. Been there myself and seen it on this forum so many times. Doctors are trained to recognise and treat disease. When he says your cortisol is fine, he means you donât have Addisonâs disease or Cushingâs disease. His criteria for acceptable blood levels is huge and just because theyâre âfineâ doesnât mean theyâre where they should be for you to be feeling good. Most wonât know how to improve wellbeing other than my giving you antidepressants, painkillers etc. You need to start doing bloods yourself. Itâs liberating but expensive 
Cheers James! Howâs things going with you?
@ztanzanite I think youâre the only person on the internet that has ever come back 6 years later and made such a big claim that youâve almost recovered 100%.
Thatâs awesome news and I am so happy for you. It gives me and other guys so much hope!
I would love hear every detail of your recovery but I know that is too much to put into a post. If you could give your best advice, in simple terms, of what has been the most important factor to your recovery, it would be greatly appreciated.
Maybe you can also consider making a separate post where we can ask more specific questions for you to answer?
Thanks man!
What do you guys think about the hypothesis that tren dick is caused by competitive inhibition of more potent androgens by the weak androgen DHN? And the idea that this can be rectified by a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor like finasteride? Is this a crackpot theory and has anyone tried it?
I would be very reluctant to test this theory. Finasteride can have similar effects of tren dick, just intensified. Stay away from finasteride
Yeah it certainly does seem risky. Iâve scoured the web and I havenât found a single tren dick person who tried it.
Just add a DHT to a tren/nandrolone cycle. That seems to alleviate this issue for the majority of users.
Whatâs the best DHT pharmaceutical thatâs available via prescription in the USA? As far as I understand, proviron isnât available via prescription in the USA, only on the black/grey market. Iâd be getting the prescription from my endocrinologist.
Then youâre in the wrong neighborhood, friend.
But if you insist on doing things that way then I believe thereâs a topical DHT cream thatâs available by prescription.
@russpow @james103 @ztanzanite
Just wanted to check in and see whatâs been happening.? Any news!?!