There hasn’t been an increase. Bodybuilders have been dropping like flies for the past five years. Media coverage is now more widespread.
A death due to an accident or misadventure has nothing to do with covid either. As specified, you can think what you want re the vaccines… But to say they’re the reason bodybuilders are dropping is a massive stretch. Arash Rahbar said the same thing on his Instagram, I actually laughed out loud when I saw this
I personally know many, many medical professionals. I have knowledge of and have been to/completed work experience at the facility that manufactures covid-19 vaccines in Australia. I happen to believe many who discredit or believe some wide scale conspiracy is prevalent within the medical community probably don’t know many doctors, nor do they know people who oversaw the clinical trials, manufacturing and distribution of the vaccines.
There’s also the clinical trials, including non industry funded research. Covid vaccines generally lack a “no fault clause” in most countries. As a result governments tend to err on the side of caution when it comes to incredibly rare side effects.
Are covid vaccines more risky than contemporary vaccines? Marginally… However the argument “I won’t put that in my body” when many drink, smoke, take recreational drugs (or steroids), eat processed junk foods, soda etc… What a joke, if you’re SO risk averse to the point you’re worried about vaccine side effects you ought to be scared of driving a car too.
The vast majority of premature deaths related to bodybuilding relate to cardiovascular disease.
@flappinit you won’t find a huge difference in terms of death toll within bodybuilders. However there is preliminary evidence high dose AAS = unusually severe sickness if you catch covid, even in younger people.
There was one case report of a young man presenting with severe illness. He admitted to the doctors taking care of him that he was using oxandrolone and (I think) testosterone. They administered anti androgens and… His condition drastically improved very rapidly.
There have been a number of fitness models who have dropped from covid this year, but not from the vaccines. The clinical data showcases vaccines marketedly reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death. 90% reduction for both. Booster shot = another 90% reduction from that baseline. But no… It’s the vaccines killing bodybuilders? Where are people getting this from?
With Pfizer’s new antiviral drug, tripple jabbed + those pills would make covid less dangerous than the common cold.
In the Netherlands, where a fifth wave is occuring 93% of those in ICU are unvaccinated. But the vaccines don’t work… Right?
For young people, covid isn’t a big deal. The margin of difference between the risk of death when comparing someone who is below 18 vs above 45 is well over 100 fold. Can’t mount an adequate immune response when you’re older.
Covid binds to ACE II to enter various cells. AAS cause dysfunction of the RAAS. Not to mention the acute, subclinical deterioration in cardiac function while on, high blood pressure, autonomic dysfunction and more. If anything, being unvaccinated is more likely to kill a bodybuilder.
Anyone is free to disagree with me, though I will remain fairly arrogant on this subtopic given the people I know and the breadth of data I’ve had the opportunity to transverse. I don’t care whether people get vaccinated or not, but I find the “they’re dangerous” schtick to be tremendously irritating
How about this… if you believe this, fine… go about your day, but if you get sick and require hospitalisation and hospitals are filling up, stay home and drown if you develop ARDS. Drug addicts end up on the bottom of the list for organ transplants… this ought to be equitable… Or perhaps worse as a drug addict is frequently using to escape/deal with unfavorable variables. Addicts mat also base altered baseline deficiencies in neurotransmission. To a degree, it’s not always entirely the addicts fault. Provided said addict hadn’t robbed a bank, hurt their family or physically assaulted others they typically have my sympathy. Addiction is a disease, being against vaccines isn’t.
You’ve made the decision to not get vaccinated, if you happen to be unlucky then deal with that by yourself. It’s not hard to get vaccinated, and getting vaccinated potentially equates to less burden on hospitals. Those who took the effort to effectively armour themselves against severe illness ought to take priority.
I do believe however that PARENTS who refuse to vaccinate their children (barring covid vaccine as covid is minimally risky for kids) for basic, highly treatable yet dangerous diseases like polio, tetanus, mumps and measles ought to be punished if their child falls seriously ill as a result. Yes… That"s me siding with authoritarian constructs, however I don’t ideologically engrain myself within a specific manner of thinking. A child can’t consent to not wanting to be protected from serious illness.
This, to a degree is survival of the fittest. A fully vaccinated elderly individual is still far more likely to die than I am if they catch covid… Hell they might stroke out tomorrow regardless. I’m not trying to de-humanize anyone, but you can’t shut down society over this when almost everyone has gotten vaccinated. I can’t help but feel those who are so vehemently opposed to vaccines are simply insanely uninformed over this particular issue. Problem is, many don’t want to change their narrative even when confronted with the data… It’s all a conspiracy within the medical community. Anyone who knows anything about the way clinical trials are conducted will know there was no funny business going on. Hospitals were overflowing across the globe. That’s why a vaccine needed to be fast tracked.
I’m not a fan of mandates to do EVERYTHING, in Australia (my state at least) the unvaccinated can’t legally leave their house. That’s fucking insane, but in terms of hospitalisations, I’m not opposed to de prioritising them unless they’ve got a medical exemption explaining why they shouldn’t take the vaccines.
In the Netherlands, hospitals are filling up and doctors are having to scale back appointments and various elective procedures. No… Don’t do that, if 93% of ICU is unvaccinated, kick them out when vaccinated people come in (exemptions for children and teenagers). Don’t put off diagnostic procedures and elective procedures. Many brought this on themselves, they can reap the consequences.
Some on here are in favour of “harsh justice”… But you can’t be diametrically opposed here. That would mean you only favour authoritarian/punitive regime’s when the narrative suits you. Next time a 55y/old man turns up at hospital, he’s had seven months to get vaxxed but didn’t due to the “conspiracy within the medical community” (absolute bullshit by the way)… Send him home with some morphine to ease discomfort. If a spot opens up, call him to come back in. But the second the hospital fills up and room is needed for a vaccinated patient, someone having a heart attack etc… Kick him out again.
Being anti-authoritarian but pro mandates, permenant restrictions or pro lockdown is diametrically opposed and hypocritical, as it infers you only like the construct that suits you. Like the woke kids over here who believe in freedom of sexual expression (I believe in this to a degree), freedom pertaining to bodily autonomy… But they’re against allowing people to make a joke that isn’t PC, they’re against any form of weapon ownership, against the right to protest for causes that don’t ideologically align with the narratives they harbour and they advocate for the redistribution of wealth through the means of centralised government control. That’s hypocritical BS. On the other spectrum you have those that seem to like the idea of harsh justice and sometimes centralised control… But they’re super against vaccines “my body, you can’t tell me what to do!” But you can tell someone they can’t have a sex change, get an abortion (no matter the circumstance, if a woman is raped why on earth should she be subject to the trauma of carrying her rapists child to term?), take drugs/AAS or whatever.
A bit odd isn’t it? To take issue with the vaccines. No… You’re using your sense of morality to justify authoritarianism or libertarian constructs pertaining to the narrative you agree with. That or you can’t sway from the side you’ve picked, like a cult member at a idealistic, utopian commune sticking to the cause despite the foreseeable prospect of having to drink cyanide next week.
You might have a wet dream for harsh justice, media cencorship and crusading over societal constructs you don’t like… But vaccines!!! That’s where you need libertarianism as the consequences associated with getting vaccinated are worse than mass incarceration and forced assimilation? I want to point out this isn’t directed at anyone per se, just giving my thoughts.
The world doesn’t revolve around you. Look to academic literature and historical accounts within similar cultural paradigms as to ascertain which method of governance leads to a healthy, happy population in terms of covid policy. There is not a single modern society based around centralised control that has a very high reporter quality of life within the general population. On the other extreme, the same can be said. Pure libertarianism == anarchism, as a matter of fact if I recall correctly the concept of libertarianism initially gained ground through radical, Anarchist left wing groups. Look at South Africa for reference of “almost no law enforcement, a free for all”. That country is fucked… A middle ground like Canada, Norway, Israel works out fairly well.
Even one dose of the vaccine DRAMATICALLY reduces illness severity. One dose + having bad covid = fantastic immunity. Two doses + infection = even better. Get vaccinated… Or don’t… I don’t care
But don’t clog up hospitals during times of turmoil. You’ve brought this on yourself.
If you can tell… I’m not in a great mood lol…
Sorry for the rant, continue.
