Any regular long-time Tren users here? How’s your health and how do you manage to stay as healthy as possible? Would you advise taking it every cycle (to be fair, I’m only on cycle once a year)? Any tips would be appreciated.
Thanks
@tareload IMO you gave him “information overload”, but I could be wrong concerning the OP.
I think your bigger bang for the buck would be to post up the best one off those articles with your “Cliffs Notes” about the article that could be read before opening the article. You could add that you have more information if he got something from the first one.
I believe upon reading your brief explanation, he will know what he is about to read. Knowing you have more information, he might ask for more.
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@tareload - not to be an ass but he asked “long time tren users - hows your health”. Technically you didnt even touch his question.
@chimichangadeadpool11 - did around 2 years on at least a gram… Internal organs - no damage. Heart - no damage. Had shit cholesterol all the time but it didnt seem to do any damage…i am yet to do the angiography tho, but for now no signs of stenocardia.
Maybe it’s genetics, but maybe its the fact i did at least 2 hours of cardio each and every day for the past 10 years. Would i recommend? No.
But if you are like 220-240 lean, i dont think test cycles will do much anymore.
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Good point.
Well not exactly long term users:
10 pg/ml = 1 ng/dl for reference.
https://www.depts.ttu.edu/afs/implantDB/docs/Revalor_Tech_Bulletin_12.pdf
https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/offload-downloads/revalor-xs-detailer
Some make it and most don’t.
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I get your point, and i do like the value you add to some discussions, BUT… You cant build your whole personality on links. Your style is unique but in most cases its just interesting at best, but it also kind of spits in the face of the whole point of discussions here. You enter the topic, blast 10 links and leave. This topic, is where people who have used tren long term, can answer the question. Have you used tren? If no, then… well… you kind of just spam links.
As i said - i like the idea you bring but you shouldnt just spam every topic with the same idea if you have no interest in these topics nor any personal experience.
Its like a group of friends discussing business ideas and one of them constantly just linking some business magazine quotes. Or friends talking about their relationships and one friend constantly sending porn links.
I mean, if you have no interest in using and experimenting with PEDs why even bother?
Good points. I thought this was @chimichangadeadpool11 's next installment of the weekly risk reduction thread.
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Not trying to insult
But has anyone ever told you that youve got a penchant for the dramatic?
Perhaps that you’re a little bit of a hypochondriac. It’s good to educate people of the risks associated with AAS use
But try to do so in laymens terms (initially), graudally increasing the detail as time goes along.
Some will instantaneously drop out as they don’t care and/or don’t want to hear it (ignorance is bliss)
Others will drop out if they feel as if you are patronising them.
The truth is… for MOST (not someone such as myself). One or two months of tren won’t kill them
I’ve never taken trenbolone and likely never will unless I one day have a death wish (say diagnosed with ALS or something, a scenario where I just wouldn’t care anymore).
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Hey good to hear from you. I never heard back on my other replies/posts to you so thanks for weighing in. I hope you are well.
Hey cool, we are back to the thread on safe methods. I hope people take your advice and just do it once instead of the chronic exposure we both agree is bad news.
Since the link hasn’t been clicked I’ll save some the trouble:
Consider the following thought experiment.
First case, one hundred persons go to a Casino, to gamble a certain set amount each and have complimentary gin and tonic –as shown in the cartoon in Figure x. Some may lose, some may win, and we can infer at the end of the day what the “edge” is, that is, calculate the returns simply by counting the money left with the people who return. We can thus figure out if the casino is properly pricing the odds. Now assume that gambler number 28 goes bust. Will gambler number 29 be affected? No.
You can safely calculate, from your sample, that about 1% of the gamblers will go bust. And if you keep playing and playing, you will be expected have about the same ratio, 1% of gamblers over that time window.
Now compare to the second case in the thought experiment. One person, your cousin Theodorus Ibn Warqa, goes to the Casino a hundred days in a row, starting with a set amount. On day 28 cousin Theodorus Ibn Warqa is bust. Will there be day 29? No. He has hit an uncle point; there is no game no more .
No matter how good he is or how alert your cousin Theodorus Ibn Warqa can be, you can safely calculate that he has a 100% probability of eventually going bust.
The probabilities of success from the collection of people does not apply to cousin Theodorus Ibn Warqa. Let us call the first set ensemble probability, and the second one time probability (since one is concerned with a collection of people and the other with a single person through time). Now, when you read material by finance professors, finance gurus or your local bank making investment recommendations based on the long term returns of the market , beware. Even if their forecast were true (it isn’t), no person can get the returns of the market unless he has infinite pockets and no uncle points. The are conflating ensemble probability and time probability. If the investor has to eventually reduce his exposure because of losses, or because of retirement, or because he remarried his neighbor’s wife, or because he changed his mind about life, his returns will be divorced from those of the market, period.
In a perfect world they wouldn’t use tren at all
There are safer alternatives… not that any are “safe”
But from a risk assessment standpoint, tren is up there as one of the worst
Perhaps superdrol, miblerone etc rank up there with trenbolone.
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Not really… I’m having surgery soon 
Looking at potentially more surgery after that…
It’ll be a looooonnng time before I can train again, IF I can ever train properly again that is…
That really sucks man, I’m sorry to hear that
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I hope it goes well and i wish you the best. I understand the crap with joint issues and chronic pain. Take care
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I will always be thankful to @tareload because he motivated me to dump blood, check BP regulary and do full organ scans, check my heart etc - i invested lots of money into this and i am happy to actually know that my shit is fine.
Definetly, appart from lots of friends on here, the most useful stuff was that i got scared of some stuff he mentions.
But still… i sometimes find it a bit annoying that every topic about experimenting with PEDs can be filled with links about risks and how unsafe it is. I mean, it is necessary that people know that, but then again we are all grown ups here and some of us just wanna do crazy shit anyways.
But maybe im not annoyed and its just tren… 
p.s - my BP on 700mgs of tren is 125/67…
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I don’t know if you realize how big of a flex this is!
One of my gym buddies is doing a Test only cycle. He was on blood pressure meds (but terrible at taking them) before the cycle. Last time I saw him he looked like he had some serious sunburn. I asked him about it, and he said he hadn’t been in the sun. I told him he needs to be consistent with his meds, and he was like I don’t like how I feel on them, and I only get nose bleeds here and there. I am doing my best to get him to take them.
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Love you too! Thanks. You make good points.
I was wondering about that…
OFF TREN:
ON TREN:
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My BP used to get around 138 on 250mgs of test and some MK677… dropped the MK, now even anadrol doesnt do much to my BP.
Doing IF also helps imo as i dont retain as much water and bloat is also a big cause of high BP.
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Adorbs!!! 
I’ll likely come back to regular posting when I’m no longer on heavy duty painkillers (I have a VERY valid prescription mind you)
I find they substantially impede my cogniton
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@unreal24278 Hang in there buddy! When you get back I want you on the board. I’ll put your handle in gold plated letters. There is room for everyone:
Now that I think about it, we need more folks in that 300-800** mg/week dosage range as the graph right now is heavy on 200 mg/week and lower.
**This is not an endorsement of these weekly dosages, just an observation.
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You wont get me in that range
I’m not a fan of T dosages above 125mg/wk (usually 75-100mg)
I have bloods from when I was on 250mg/wk a few years back though. I’ll dig them up soon enough and i’ll give you the numbers.
Not to say im opposed to any and all AAS use. Responsible, low dose use of certain, relatively mild synthetics have treated me better regarding overall tolerability in the past relative to testosterone itself.
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