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[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

No, because I live in reality where doctors aren’t magicians.

No, because you live in a world of indoctrination.

$75 BILLION DOLLARS SPENT ON R&D AT NOT FOR PROFIT Universities like JHU

So that can be transferred to pharma to make profit.

@anon50325502

Your rent is paid for by someone else. Your food is paid for by someone else.

And I’m being held accountable for having a disease. Not allowed to have the superior treatment of my choice and having my access to money blocked by the finance industry.

@anon50325502

They are as I pointed out earlier. What isn’t available here is due to the FDA not allowing it.

No they are not. Them not being available here is due to the corporate capture of the FDA. Stem cells would put a huge dent in the profits of pharma and that is why it’s not available here.

@anon50325502

Far more successful at what? How does the treatment make you “better”?

Far more successful at treating people. That is why tens of thousands of people opt for this therapy. That is why people travel outside of this country to get help because they are prevented from doing so here.

@anon50325502

Explained like 500x now.

Saying I don’t care is not an explanation. Maybe to you it is but reality says something different.
And no the entire blame should not be assigned to government it should start with corporations who are generally the catalysts of corruption.

[Zeppelin795]

@dt79

The cause of obesity is an overabundance of calories. This is not a point anyone can dispute. If you want to argue that the development of diabetes is a direct result of the food, you would have to prove causation without obesity being present

So the type of food isn’t a major factor?

@dt79

120 million people died because of socialism.

Attempting the Impossible – Calculating Capitalism’s Death Toll

Another perspective.

@dt79

You would be getting less welfare than what you are getting in the US in a real socialist country. And your standard of living would also be much lower.

How so?

You simply do not understand how corruption works.

Is that the way it works in the U.S.? Compared to your country whose government is masquerading as a Socialist authority.

@dt79

Again, this is not about assigning blame so don’t spin it like this. This is PREVENTING shit from happening in the first place.

And the ruling class has bribed the government. They set the bar so high using regulations and other things to keep out com-petition from entering. Thus securing their cartels and power.

What are you going to do about it?

I chose all my cabinet ministers. I elected the judges. I control the press. I let corruption happen all the way down the ranks so I can fucking have leverage or purge anyone when I need to.

You don’t want to play ball?

I can even start a fucking bidding war among all you evil corporate fuckers and go with the ones who will give me the most loot. Then I will get rid of the rest so you make more money and I get more loot.

What are you going to do?

The only thing you can do is get the military to stage a coup with the promise that one of the Generals will get to take my throne.

Nah. It’s not going to happen again. Not after Yuan Shikai. That motherfucker…

See? Leverage:

Is this socialism or authoritarianism? See the difference?

Several countries, including the Soviet Union and Maoist China have been described by journalists and scholars as authoritarian socialist states

Capitalists would rather pay no taxes if it was their decision solely.

@dt79

No. The government is.

Bullshit. The government wouldn’t be able to AFFORD to give you anything if not for wealth being created by capitalism. This is why I am telling you that the economy has to be left alone. Social policies are a different thing.

So only Capitalist countries have welfare?

@dt79

dt79:

I want to prevent the TRANSACTION from happening in the first place.

And Capitalism and Authoritarianism is not the way.

@dt79

So you don’t want to try and solve your own problems. You prefer to rely on others to solve them for you.

Having politicians represent the people and not the ruling class will go a long way.

[Zeppelin795]

And dt79 simply doesn’t understand that China is not a Socialist form of government. In addition, he has NO grasp on the internal contradictions of Capitalism. He just blindly worships it after decades of indoctrination.

[Zeppelin795]

And you don’t understand the country in which you live.

[Zeppelin795]

@polo77j

It seems that it’s willful ignorance in a proportion that may not be a majority, but it’s large enough that it’s very, very troublesome

And what have you to say about the internal contradictions of Capitalism.

@polo77j

People like to rail against “capitalism” but don’t understand just what they’re railing against,

Maybe they don’t know the exact causes but they got their finger on the pulse and realize they are being screwed over. It is the reason why Mexico just elected a left leaning politician, The Labour Party won so many seats to the thanks of Jeremy cORBYN AND THAT sANDERS IS still THE MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN IN THE STATES. If the Clinton machine and the DNC wouldn’t have sabotaged the Sanders campaign he most likely would have won the Primary and gone on to win the General election.

[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

No, it doesn’t. Cartel’s are illegal

Oh no! If it is against the law then it probably doesn’t happen. Except people/corporations with money buy themselves out of trouble. A direct effect of Capitalism are cartels and monopolistic behavior. And it is a reality borne out of the internal contradictions of Capitalism. Very much so in the U.S. Pharma is only one example. An example that has a very negative effect on myself.

Real monopolies and oligopolies emerge like this.

Welcome to the U.S.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

No, because you live in a world of indoctrination.

This is you, bud. Not me. Your entire post is utter non-sense.

[polo77j]

@Zeppelin795

And what have you to say about the internal contradictions of Capitalism.

Lay out what you think those happen to be and we’ll see lol - it’s called leading the witness Zep

@Zeppelin795

they are being screwed over

By whom? What boogeyman are you going to conjure this time?

And in what way are “they” being “screwed over”?

@Zeppelin795

sANDERS IS still THE MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN IN THE STATES

According to…??

@Zeppelin795

Sanders campaign he most likely would have won the Primary and gone on to win the General election.

Fantasy. Pure and simple.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

Another perspective.

Alright. I’m done.

Others can go read the link and see why.

[anon50325502]

“While it is true that there is some debate about whether the Holocaust occurred…”

Fucking wow…

*Sure glad I skimmed the rest…

[dt79]

Lol. I typed a response. Then decided to let it go. Mind already blown.

[anon50325502]

The more I read it the more I’m just like what the fuck… The “logic” used is just batshit nuts and the comments are Zep level x 100. Fucking wow, man.

[Basement_Gainz]

You are a fool and you traffic information written by fools.

States this: “unlike the death tolls associated with Communism (which are caused by regimes themselves), the deaths caused by capitalism are usually the result of capitalist constructions, be they systemic poverty, imperialism, Atlantic and post-Atlantic slavery, etc”

Then goes on to list military actions by governments in capitalism’s death toll. There is no “systemic poverty” caused by capitalism. Since it has been adopted worldwide the percentage of people living in extreme poverty has plummeted at an exponential rate. We gave you that chart a few months ago… but you’ll just post talking points and complain banks won’t give you free money.

[anon50325502]

@Basement_Gainz

There is no “systemic poverty” caused by capitalism.

Bro, Rwanda is poor as fuck because of Capitalism. That genocide too, all because of free markets. Get with the program.

[dt79]

@anon50325502

The more I read it the more I’m just like what the fuck… The “logic” used is just batshit nuts and the comments are Zep level x 100. Fucking wow, man.

Yeah, these are the more well-read commies. If this thread goes into this direction, we’re a few steps away from outright Holocaust denial. Not going to be a part of that lol.

[dt79]

@anon50325502

Bro, Rwanda is poor as fuck because of Capitalism. That genocide too, all because of free markets. Get with the program.

No, it was deforestation. A product of the capitalist system you worship. They cut down all the tall trees.

[pfury]

@Zeppelin795

Not allowed to have the superior treatment of my choice and having my access to money blocked by the finance industry.

I think what you mean is “having my access to other people’s money blocked by the finance industry because I’m a risky loan deadbeat.”

[Zeppelin795]

And you probably think we have the greatest healthcare system in the world. All the while they deny the public of options so that they can make more in profit. As that is what is most important. Now who is indoctrinated?

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

All the while they deny the public of options so that they can make more in profit.

No, they don’t. The FDA does.

@Zeppelin795

Now who is indoctrinated?

You, clearly.

[Zeppelin795]

@polo77j

Fantasy. Pure and simple.

Are you denying that The Clinton campaign and the DNC had anything to do with sabotaging the Sanders campaign? Sanders had double digit leads in most polls over Trump. So most likely he would have won.

@polo77j

By whom? What boogeyman are you going to conjure this time?

And in what way are “they” being “screwed over”?

By paying the highest cost in med care. Is this something YOU deny?

All the while the pharma industry trying(medicinal cannabis) or succeeding(stem cell therapy for degenerative diseases) options from coming to the market.

What do you think the result of this is? The prolonging of suffering of the public without freedom of choice. Pretty great system we have here.

@polo77j

Lay out what you think those happen to be and we’ll see lol

This is one of the major contradictions within capitalism: the individual capitalist appropriates to himself or herself that which was produced socially by many workers.

Contradictions in capitalism

@polo77j

sANDERS IS still THE MOST POPULAR POLITICIAN IN THE STATES

According to…??

One poll.

Bernie Sanders the Most Popular Politician in the U.S.

Another one. Plenty of more, if you look.

PolitiFact - Bernie Sanders lost to Hillary Clinton. So, can he be America's...