[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
Point is … our culture (much more so in Europe for that matter) is churning out a generation of some very weak dudes … and I’m seeing more and more of them at the gym …
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Point is, you’re weak. You just don’t see it.
You’re weak because you act like you want to change a situation (that there’s a massive increase in ‘beta males’ being produced opposed to in the past), but instead of taking the initiative to take the more difficult, more productive, more proactive, route of taking one of these newbs you see at the gym and showing them the ropes. (Kinda like how the other people in the gym were doing.) Instead, you took the easy, passive aggressive route of going home to anonymously sit behind your computer screen and talk shit about people who you perceive as lesser than you.
A while back, (perhaps a LONG while back), there was a thread about a poster who used to be a regular here, 4est. Somehow he came in contact with a kid who was depressed, had low T, was WEAK, and had no self esteem - instead of coming on here and ragging on how pathetic this kid was, he took the time to mentor him, build him up, and completely turn the kids life around. You know what kind of response that sort of shit gets? Standing ovations. You just sound like a cunt.
I get that you’re pissed about the cultural change about the pussification of men in America, but weakness shows in more ways than just physical. The level of arrogance, passivity, and self-importance you show in your original post is something our culture teaches us younger generations, as well. Just because you can deadlift X amount of pounds doesn’t mean that they’re not stronger than you in other ways. I’d much rather be around someone who can deadlift 135 for a 1RM than someone who’s an arrogant, obnoxious, self-absorbed fuck.
Increase your strength in other areas of your life (like compassion for others less fortunate than you - such as the lost kid who’s trying to improve his physical abilities by hitting the gym who hasn’t come across a resource like T-Nation yet), being assertive in SOLVING problems, and thinking about the negative (“These kids are our future? :/” and “here’s an opportunity to help our future”) are two VERY different mindsets.
If you’re going to bitch about something, at least be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.[/quote]
Yea that’s it. I should try and influence these 30 year old boys. Their parents and teachers and friends and co-workers have failed in the first threed decades but I will persevere. Ill be the father they never had. Ill be like the guy with his finger in the dam. So instead of pointing at the dam and saying “hey guys… the f’ing dam is crumbling” I should shut up unless I can patch it myself. Stop your bitching.
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Stop MY bitching? Was I the one who made the whiny OP?
And yes, you should make the effort to improve your situation (which includes the environment around you, including the people), otherwise, you’re not helping at all.
First of all, maybe the guys you were mocking barely have the time to get to the gym themselves. If you’re going to make excuses about why you’re not where you want to be, at the very least, give others the benefit of making excuses about why THEY’re not where YOU want THEM to be.
Secondly, YOU don’t have to teach them anything. But showing them a few resources (such as T-Nation) would be a step in the right direction as far as making an effort to become ‘alpha.’ If they want to ignore you, then so be it, but you at least TRIED.
And you don’t know that “nor is lifting better going to make men out of them.” From your OP, it sounds like you think them lifting better is exactly what would make them men. I’d bet the majority of the posters on here would agree that becoming a better/stronger lifter increased their confidence, self-esteem, etc. in aspects of their lives that extend past the weight room. If someone took the time to show him the ropes and he DID start lifting better/heavier, why wouldn’t he feel the same confidence boost that most others have felt from increasing numbers?
Third, you’re expecting someone who’s “beta” to be proactive in their approach for help in an environment that they’re clearly the odd man out. All you have to do is say is something to the effect of “Hey man, I’ve seen you in here a few times and you seem to have your heart in the right place. If you’re interested, you can check out the articles on T-Nation if you’re looking for some good information on how to achieve your goals. Or, if you happen to see me in here and you have a question or need a spot or anything, my name’s flyboy.”
Now, before you say anything. I get it. Saying that to another male stranger is “weird” and could be taken by him as you hitting on him, being controlling/obnoxious/overstepping boundaries and all that, but on the other hand, he might check out T-Nation and might start making some fucking progress towards the goal that YOU want to see (since you want to see less betas at your gym.) He might never have had a person ever show any interest in them (be it parents, teachers, etc). So fuck him, just let him wallow in his own self pity and depression instead of possibly making a change in someone’s life, right?
I was just making an observation, too. I’m well aware about the emasculanization of men in America, but I know that anonymous complaining on the internet to a bunch of people who are already also aware of said trend won’t do shit. I’m also aware of the laziness and passive aggressive that our culture teaches and accepts (and I’m guilty of this, too, for the record.) The only thing that will do shit in making the change that you want to see is doing your part in turning the betas you see into alphas. And until you help start turning betas into alphas, you’re simply not helping.
While it is your job to be a good father if you do have a child, your responsibilities span farther than you realize if you want to ACTUALLY change a trend in society.
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(If i can just keep him out of the little skinny jeans and those little slippers it will be worth it)
The fact remains that Im seeing a lot more 30 year old man-boys … I just hired one at work … Very difficult to even communicate with the kid …[/quote]
You just hired someone who’s difficult to communicate with?
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Well …
-it’s not my job to rid the world of the increasingly feminized men i encounter in life.
-you make the mistake of assuming they’re not happy in their feminization and would appreciate me helping them. I think they like their skinny jeans and mani-pedis 
They dont have a problem being 35 and weaker than the attractive 22 year old girl next to them. I have a problem with them precisely because they are happy in their weakness. I dont think theyre lifting because its a component of whats in their head about being a man. They’ll give up on the gym in a few weeks. Too tough …
-i didnt post the comment expecting it to be a constructive exercise in actually solving the problem. This is a forum for a bunch of guys interested in weightlifting Which is why i characterized it as just an observation.
-i should never have utilized the alpha/beta thing … shitstorm ensues …
-The only reason i brought up this topic here is that you’d expect to find some kindred spirits. The sheer number of guys here on this thread instantly begging for tolerance and understanding furthers my concern that we’re already doomed … :). Are all these guys gonna have children and how will THEY raise sons?
- in regard to my new employee, next time i go through a pool of applicants i will consult you.