Liz Cheney Ousted

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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I post via my phone, no clue why I cant log in on my laptop. I ll try to be as coherent as possible.

On border. There was a problem, which Trump was talking about and working with. The democrats were calling his methods concentration camps. Now with Biden the illegal immigration has increased drastically and there are suddenly no concentration camps. The vice president who was tasked with the border crisis has not been yet at the border and when asked why she laughed hysterically. My point is, there was a problem, but not a crisis. Trump was acting on the problem, Biden amplified it and made it into a crysis. Please dont act like it was inherited.

On gas shortage. The ransom was paid on that day. The gas shortage is not due hacking. It is a direct result of cutting pipelines and not enough drivers at the moment to transport the gas. You know when you shut down pipelines for green energy without a plan, crysis happens. How comes we do not have shortage in Europe and our prices are stable? Did CNN lie to you?

On inflation and unemployment. We can agree here on inflation partially. And I can agree that Trump started the relief program. But we are now on second year with vaccines available and he just brough a reliefe plan again? The point I am making is that Biden is amplyfing the problem, turning it into a crysis, while he has is more easy than Trump.

Regarding businesses. Sorry it was mid day and i was tired. It is connected with the relief plan of Biden. I hope you are aware it is racist and only black businesses and farmers are included. I hope someone sues Bidens administration for that. But more importantly due to the continues relief plan and people getting paid to stay at home a lot of businesses are not able to start working, due to the lack of people willing to work.

On press. Free press is a big thing where I cone from. We fight for it on a daily basis. We are ranked around 100 on freedom of press. But even according to our poor standards, your press is a joke. It produces fake news even without government pressure.

Let me describe what fake news is. For example the news for Liz Chaney. It is extremelly unimportant yet was on first page on CNN, Times and every major outlet. Let me tell you another fake news. The Wuhan Lab theory. When Orange man pointed finger, everyone said racist, madman, fact checked. They even called Luc Montagnier a nobel price winner in physiology and medicine, the man who discovered HIV a conspiracy theorist. They fact checked him with the opinion of some other “expert”.

And regarding social media banning everyone. Do I need to say names of people who were banned for speaking up?

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Illegal border crossing has been an issue for at least 40 years. Of COURSE it was inherited. And OF COURSE a party will act like everything the other party does is wrong and their party does no wrong. Political party behavior has no impact on whether the problem (or “crisis” in your words) was - in fact - created by an administration or not. The facts are that this has been a problem for multiple decades and administrations.

Biden has not stopped deportations either.

Firstly I don’t watch CNN. Secondly what specific pipelines did Biden shut down besides Keystone? Thirdly, again, it was a regional issue.

I live in the US dude. We do not have a nationwide fuel shortage. We do have a lot of people panic buying.

The first vaccine in the US was publicly available in December, so no isn’t the second year of availability. It’s been available about 6 months.

Secondly in the US we only have about 40% of the population vaccinated.

Thirdly this was back in February and eventually passed March, so he didn’t “just” bring a relief package now.

Small businesses (a conservative goal) don’t automatically get better. Many if those that survived still deal with massive amounts of liabilities and or losses taken on in order to survive last year. Neither do families magically get better if they’ve lost work, so the stimulus payment was very plausible. And many businesses still face closures due to city or state policy. So whether or not it is a policy choice you like on ideological grounds a relief package is still a reasonable, PLAUSIBLE option for businesses and people alike.

Also, it’s bang in line with what Trump did last year. So really there’s no major change in policy from last year to this.

You have an oversimplified view of the bill. It wasn’t and isn’t “only blacks”. Also, most farmers are white so there’s that.

But that’s not what you said - you said “Businesses not able to start due to money printing and sending them to unemployed non white and Asian Americans”. The stimulus payments went to most Americans of ALL colors so you’re wrong there. But then you’re also wrong because the prioritization scheme for the last round of emergency business funding went to BUSINESSES not “unemployed” non-whites.

Yes there is a potential large problem with the prioritization plan, but you’re factually wrong with what you said.

Free press is a big thing here too. The fact that the press is a joke does not in any way mean it isn’t free. “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.” Thomas Jefferson… This isn’t a new problem dude.

Fake news is bullshit but it doesn’t mean the press isn’t free.

It represents a schism in one of 2 major political parties in this country. It’s hardly unimportant to the political background here, and in any case if you consider that bullshit I can point to a bunch of equally bullshit headlines from European news sources about local politics there.

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Lets start with the acting president of the United States, continue with actual medics who threat COVID, then finish with the latest victim, one of the biggest youtubers who appears to be a strong conservative, Steven Crowder.

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Illegal boarding crossing has been a problem. No denying in that. But Biden did invite more of it during his campaign and I am sure even you are not able to deny that is has increased significantly to the point there is a crysis which is handled very poorly.

I will get back to the rest when I have more time. But want to point out the fact that your press is a bigger joke than our non free press. That waa the point I was trying to make. Our press is opressed thus not producing quality reporting. Your press is purposly producing fake news.

Let me explain why Liz Chaney story is insignificant. In a company when therr is a worker who feels apathy towards the work and the company, you fire asap that worker, because he or she will spread that apathy inside the company and influence the rest. Apathy and hate towards work spreads very fast. And I am saying this as the worker who quit his job after being warned for becoming toxic. I sat with my boss and explained why I feel apathy and I see no solution and will be better if I leave. No need for warnings and continueing that relationship. In the same manner Liz Chaney was fired for becomming toxic. You do not need such toxicity and giving the press and democrats reasons to continue talking about Orange man bad. You get rid of it.

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So in your opinion private companies should have no say in how people use their website?

Should sharing kiddie porn on T-Nation not be a bannable offense? Or should T-Nation forums as a social media experience and one of the most popular fitness websites in history be forced to allow all views?

Well how strange…that’s how those people you mentioned got “fired” from Twitter.

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Hey bro your post is like the infinite monkey theorem, but without the “infinite”. Maybe the first 10 minutes or so.

I mean that in a good way.

They’re very fashistic now but fashions come and go.

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You named two people and neither was banned for being a conservative (Trump isn’t a conservative anyway). And Crowder is a mediocre comedian and uneducated (also Canadian I believe) so I wouldn’t look to him for any sort of enlightened view of things. He’s not a great thinker, he only repeats basic talking points, and would be out of his depth if he tried to debate anyone other than the college freshmen he tries to make look stupid.

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see twitter is not an employeer, nor a publisher. It is a social media. If it stops being a social media, then it needs to be threated as a publisher. Meaning all people can sue twitter for losses, defamation and etc.

T nation is not a social media. Its forum is a bare try to engage fitness fans and create value for them just like blog posts. The forum is a marketing tool.

There is a huge difference between freedom of speach in social media and posting child porn in a fitness forum. Lets not get silly.

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oh yeah? Trump was banned for what exactly? He never provoked insurection. There was no attemp for a coup. It was the elite democrats suffering the bare minimum of what regular people suffered through the BLM and ANTIFA riots for an year.

Crowder got banned for citing the CDC and exposing the Fraud Fauchi is. Oh trust me Americans have lost the ability to debate. I have better debates in my office than the presidential debates in US. “Come on, man” like grandpa Biden says. And according to youtube Crowder is the 2nd best commedian after Rogan. He has more viewers in his poor segment than all the major news outlets combined. He got banned because he is conservative. He may actually win the lawsuit against youtube.

And lastly opinions must be allowed. For me for example wokeness is toxic. But do you see me asking for banning wokeness? No, it should be allowed, debated and may the truth come out of it. Sure there is some good in critical theory, socialism and even communism. But we cant explore its best or worst and make use of it if we ban it. View points must be allowed. Speach is important.

And before judging me as a racist and stuff. I am a minority. I have 2 names, because in my country my minority was not recognised, so I had to change my name. After communism failed I was in a cort defending my right to have my old name. I am from such a minority that even the minority I am assosiated with discriminates me. The father of my fioncee calls me a gypsy, although we are in the same minority group. So I know what is discrimination and an actual systemic discrimination, where the country you live at says your ethnos does not exist. Watch Pocket Hercules: Naim Süleymanoglu (2019) - IMDb for reference. It is actually a movie for weight lifting

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That isn’t why he was banned.

A. How would a failed comedian know whether or not someone like Fauci is a fraud? What are Crowder’s qualifications?

B. How is Fauci a fraud? Are his college degrees fake?

Yeah. Not even Rogan would call himself number one.

He was banned because he’s a piece of shit.

One has nothing to do with the other.

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So why was Trump banned and can a social media ban an acting president of one of the most powerful countries? I am not sure how you are not able to find this ridiculous.

Go and watch Crowders segment named 15 days of flattening the curve. Basically Crowders talks about how Fauchi lied about the virus. Initially saying there is no threat, you should not buy masks, so the medical staff can be supplied. Then saying you should get masks. Then double masks, then that double masking would not help, then suggesting tripple masking. Basically exposing all the contreversy Fauchi has said.

Crowder was actually banned for quoting the CDC in that segment that the flue is more dangerous for children than COVID 19. At least that is the reason youtube has given.

In todays world qualifications mean nothing. If the person that has discovered HIV and is an actual virusologist who has won in 2008 a nobel award in medicibe was called a conspiracy theorosit by the media and they did not get banned from social media, then Crowder should not be banned either even if he is wrong. But Fauchi is extremely incompetent and has indirectly financed as it seems the Wuhan lab and research for corona viruses, signing orders behind the back of the acting president. Even our guy that was tasked with handling the first COVID wave did an incredible job in comparison to Fauchi. There were I believe only two countries doing worse than Fauchi and they are Brasil and India who are worse financially, not educated as good as Americans and pupulation density and cultural factors would be worse for them than US citizens. Considering these factors I may say Fauchi did an incredible bad job at handling the virus situation, worse than any country in the world. And worse of all, he may be an indirect reason we have a pandemic at the moment.

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Yes. They can. Private ownership of the platform, and terms of service. Since one of the tenets of the US’s founding is that we are all equal under the law, they are perfectly able to ban him. Finding it ridiculous, or debating whether it is a smart move, has nothing to do with the legal power to do it.

In addition, he was only banned AFTER the capitol mob. Secondly at the time he was banned he had less than 2 weeks until Biden was officially inaugurated. He was going to do nothing of note - the term is “lame duck” in American politics. It wasn’t as if they banned him with years remaining in his term, or even months of active service. And it took a historical event for them to do it. I would say that is pretty good restraint.

Fauci is not a minister. He has no direct control over the workings and follow through of the public health apparatus. Certainly at least not in the same way ministers in many Eurozone or Asian countries do. He is not a “czar”. The execution of public health policy in the US is DRASTICALLY different than in many other countries, so you cannot accurately say he “handled” the pandemic. Furthermore he was fought at every turn by the president, which is one key reason we had such a bad time of things.

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Border crossings have increased yes. Whether they will become historical or not we don’t know yet. Your contention is that Biden actively “amplified” the problem. He did not - he has not stopped deportations, nor has he stopped detainments, and the budget is already allocated. He has in fact kept the status quo in almost every way.

You are unable to say any policy related to border control that Biden has implemented already has actively worsened the problem of border crossings. This problem has existed for many presidents and many decades.

He may indeed end up handling it poorly. But so far he has not done anything significantly different and therefore you cannot say he caused or even amplified the problem that already existed.

Finally, the number of crossings is known to be volatile both seasonally and historically. 2019 had a large spike in cases compared to both 2018 and 2020 for example.

The fact our press is a complete mess is well known to me. It is a continual source of frustration.

That may be the reason among the representatives, but the messaging around the decision to vote was bad, and that is not the general perception of why she was voted out of leadership. There are even a number of Republican senators who have voiced concerns over the situation.

The truth is that the Republican party is in the middle of a schism. Whether that will lead to a fundamental realignment or whether it will be resolved is unknown right now.

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You are right to point out that Biden did not change via politics the illegal immigration situation. My point was he and the democrats did it with messaging. Their entire campaign was signaling that illegal immigrants are welcome and Orange man is bad, because he has concentration camps and deports the illegals. Now the aftermath is much more illegal crossings, concentration camps are still there, filled up with innocent children and deportations are still on going. And all that in the middle of a pandemic.

Regarding the banning of Trump, you are missing the point. Sure terms of service of a private company. But this is a social media. If you are calling yourself a social media and ban people with different opinions, perhaps then you should be named a private media and be accountable for your content, which you are publishing or editing. Until that is the case, I see no reason for any social media to be able to ban people for exercising their right for free speach, based on the country of residence of the user.

And to be more clear exersising right for opinion and call for violence are different things. Trump never called for violence. Trump and other conservatives should have the right to claim election fraud, not getting banned for it. Just like the democrata were allowed to claim election fraud on Trump when he won.

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He wasn’t banned for simply having an opininion.

You don’t know what free speech is.

They do have that right. Again, you don’t know what free speech means.

Which they didn’t do. You really are a confused individual.

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This was dragged for 3 years and Trump was even impeached.

I think you are really confused, so there is no point debating you. I am sorry.

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This is very true.

Unless its master debating.

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That’s not fraud.

And Clinton was impeached.

Obama was accused of not being born in the US, by Trump. In other words, his legitimacy was questioned.

You clearly are not American and your ignorance of US politics and history is painfully obvious, yet you believe you are qualified to argue these issues.

You probably aren’t well educated by the standards of wherever you’re from.

I never considered it a debate but rather it was more like me explaining reality to a child.