[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I’ve never heard of clomid being used to reduce water gains although it is a serm and would work like nolve in this respect.
As for ‘stabilising the lean mass gains for the cycle’ - I don’t even know what this really means. If it means what I think it means, ie prevent muscle being lost again once the cycle has ended, then the only thing that will do this is surely to get your natural test production back to as close to normal as possible in as short a time as possible… The only thing that will do this is good PCT, and the reason it’s called POST Cycle Therapy is because it needs to take place POST cycle, ie, when exogenous test or other AAS have left the body. You cannot restore natural test when there are compounds in the body, still suppressing you - this includes HCG as well by the way.
In fact, if you take clomid during your cycle, not after, its fair comment that you will HAVE NO PCT to speak of!
You say that you want to make lean gains, whilst minimising water retention, yet you have chosen anadrol, one of the MOST water retentive compounds out there, probably even moreso than dbol. Also you aren’t taking an anti-e or AI, the only two things that would help prevent water retention.
My personal experience on anadrol is that yes, your strength will go through the roof within 1 or 2 days of taking it, you will be massively pumped whilst you are on it and you will retain a minimum of that strength when you come off… IMHO it is a bad choice for the purpose that you claim to want. What is your rationale for using this compound?
6 weeks is the recommended max for strong orals like this (and is your winny to be taken orally as well or inj.?) so 4 weeks is’nt exactly ‘short’. If you do anadrol for 4 weeks, follow the advice of brother Ubiquitous and protect your liver, esp. if you are taking your winny orally.
Your cycle only has 2 heavily suppressive compounds - tren (only 2 weks as it stands) and drol. It is unlikely that you will need HCG as your nuts won’t have shrunk much by then…
IMHO this cycle is oddly thought out and needs a complete redesign. But it’s early on a sunday morning, I’m off to the gym in 15 minutes and I could be typing complete and utter BS. You decide 
bushboy[/quote]
Thanks for chiming in bushido
First I have heard clomid being used to successfully help against bloating.
Stabilizing mass is exactly what you think it means. I am well aware of the usual pct protocols. The AAS chosen have very short half lives. I seriously doubt if they would actually last a full day and a half at the level I am taking them. I would ask you this; since the cycle is short and the halflives are short as well, how much would truly be negated to add clomid in a week or two in advance of the pct?
JUst about all the class II types have the water retention problem. I simply chose one that I not only had access to, but has a short half life. Drol is prostegenic and winnie is anti-pro therefore the combo is optimal. No need for anti-e like aridimex. Clomid will work fine.
Both drol and winnie are oral. Yes, I already have milk thistles and omega and astaxanthan. Sorry I just didn’t post it originally. Other than that, I haven’t come across any research pointing to a more in depth measure to protect the liver.
I agree on the HCG account
No you are not typing B.S.
everything you talked about I took a deep look into. I have modified the cycle from everyones input. I appreciate all the help I can get…thanx
wk 1-3 50mg drol aday/50mg winnie caps aday/50 tren acetate aday
wk 4-6 50mg drol aday/50mg winnie aday
wk 5-7 1st day 100mg clomid next 6 days 50 mg
-milk thistle will be taken throughout
-Alpha Male will start end of week6
let me know what u think