a few years back i would have agreed but im really trying to see good in people and i would like to believe that maybe he is just that gifted…
actually it wouldnt be something unrealistic - i have seen people get more out of 3 dbols a day than i have gotten out of a gram of tren for a year…
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Take the dose that works based on your body’s specific response. Gene transcription is not universal. I get really solid numbers on the higher end of trt (160-200) and I did a lot with that dose my first year. A close friend of mine needs 600mg to even make any difference. On trt he needs to supplement with estrogen because even on 200mg/w his e2 is single digits. How can you predict that ex ante? Every human body is a little different and this stuff requires a lot of trial and error.
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Agreed. I feel no different at TRT of 150 or at blast at 700mg/wk. I only feel different when other compounds are introduced. I also don’t get symptoms at that level of test until other compounds are introduced. In regards to FT vs TT, all I will say is that clearance rates, changes to SHBG in my opinion have the biggest impact. I’ve never taken bloods during blast to see how these are affected because I live in a shitty state and can only get bloods from my TRT MD. As @mnben87 is stating, just exogenous test alone is different for all of us which is why there are TRT docs that dial us in. Why would the same not hold true for blast? Ben is talking about looking at 1g/test a week in some of his posts. I believe part of his reason for writing this post is because guys on here typically light people up for a gram of anything, and I understand it’s for the right reasons. I can also understand Ben, who’s got some cycles under his belt looking at high numbers and has done the risk analysis himself. I will likely be looking at over 1gram total of AAS for next blast myself. @mnben87 if I’m off here feel free to say so but if I am reading you correctly you are saying that blasting is an individual science as much as TRT is.
I have a friend who is on 140mg and his TT is only 400, but that was enough for him to get symptom resolution, and absolutely change his body composition in a few months. He was a triathlete who let himself go. I was a natty BBer who started at 120 mg, went to 150 mg with little changes until my first blast. As @wanna_be stated about anxiety, that is the single greatest resolution I’ve had as well from TRT/AAS. I am just about off all anxiety meds as a result of test.
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This week I have been thinking of running 1g of Test. My next cycle seems to change every couple weeks. It was Test / DHB a week or so ago. Can’t make up my mind.
I’ve seen some evidence that the dose response for results from test don’t diminish much until very high doses.
I am also running a trial of Finasteride (flame away all). I am thinking after quartering 1 mg tablets (what a PITA), that I have been taking daily, that I will try out .5 mg on my injection days (m, w, f). Literature would lead me to believe this dose is fairly effective for hair loss prevention (maybe not as good if regrowth is desired).
My basic thought process is that even if a bit of Fin and perhaps a bit of AI is needed (I don’t expect much, as I handle high E2 well), that running 1g of test with the Fin and Adex is going to be tough to beat as far as gain vs risk. I don’t know if even something like Primo would be better as it is tough on lipids, and is androgenic in regards to hair (IMO, the androgenic side one should care about the most). Basically, I think the high Test plus ancillaries is going to get less negative sides than almost everything else if the results are equal.
If you’re going to do this you should make sure to use a low dose of whichever ARB you can get your hands on (telmisartan, losartan, valsartan, any of the ‘tans’ really). I don’t see any reason to use that much because you’re just pounding away on that one pathway, the androgen receptor. Probably would get more out of it by doing 500-750 test and a few IU of GH every night before bed.
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Rookie mistake (joking)
I don’t believe him. I do believe however that it’s plausible some IFBB pro’s aren’t purposefully lying. It’s probably difficult to recall exactly what you took for you’re seventh cycle, 20 years ago when you’ve already got like 45 cycles under your belt.
In actual gains, or weight? GH is also really expensive. I have considered GH too. Especially because my IGF-1 is bottom of the range.
The purpose of these is to dilate blood vessels, right? Would Cialis work? I can get that for dirt cheap from my source.
Would BP necessarily be an issue if one doesn’t hold water. My 600 mg/wk test blast, I really didn’t bloat hardly at all. I just don’t think holding water is something my body likes to do.
Not in the same manner. Research the role of the renin angiotensin aldosterone system has regarding the induction/exacerbation of cardiovascular disease and deleterious remodeling.
Cialis is good for dik gainz though.
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I think for some it’s not a matter of lying it’s just a matter of them not knowing exactly what their coaches gave them. Then they do an interview and say what they kinda remember or have a vague idea about doses. Even some younger guys on YouTube that outline their cycles have said they don’t know why they’re taking this stuff, they just follow their coach
I am looking into this. TBH, I couldn’t pay much attention due to this ladies legs. Drew me in like a tractor beam.
ARBS Angiotensin Receptor Blockers - YouTube
Would one need these drugs if BP is good? Do these do much for counteracting the direct effect of Test on the heart?
Isn’t this kinda what most people do though? They may use different compounds, but a minority are using GH or GH and Slin.
What do you think the point of significant diminishing returns is with Testosterone? My thought is that it is not in the hundreds for most.
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It is, and it’s kind of dumb if we’re being honest. There’s only so much you can get out of that when there are other pathways to growth.
Soft tissue recovery, glucocorticoid receptor for anti-catabolic effect, estrogen receptor activity (test covers this), CNS activation, etc. Why not focus on all those things rather than just hitting one thing really hard? Hell, fuel supply and mitochondrial function are hugely important and they never get mentioned at all.
There’s nothing wrong with taking a ton of test, eating big, and packing on mass. But what if there was a better way to get there while using different drugs in moderation vs one drug in excess? It’s worth thinking about.
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I would love to know how to boost my ATP. I am already eating right. I am sure at my age my mitochondria are on its last leg and my ATP levels are scraping the bottom. I am pretty sure that is why I always feel exhausted even after a good nights sleep.
I guess it is hard to quantify how much each impacts growth / strength. HGH certainly has a place, but many seem to think it is the icing on the cake type thing. I know Greg Doucette says GH will only net a few lbs of lean tissue, but will help with leanness quite a bit (not that he is gospel or anything, but I have heard others say similar). Some guys rave about GH too. It could be possible that it is a big factor when running higher dosages (which I am probably not willing to do).
I am kinda looking forward to Blshaw’s results to see if it is worth it or not. I think his results are applicable as we are both bottom range on IGF-1, and he is using doses I would consider.
GH can be had for as little as $1/iu and you could get away with three per night. Not a huge cost when you zoom out and think about it. And if it helped add two pounds of lean tissue then that’s absolutely worth it. Think about the size of two pounds of ground beef. That’s not nothing. Hell, natty guys would love to put on an extra two pounds over a 16-20 week time frame.
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That is about what I can get it for, but I can get a gram of test for $8. Maybe a compromise of 1g of test a week with 3 iu of GH per night 
. Still thinking DHB. By the time fall comes, I’ll have something else in mind LOL.
Win Win, no?
Would you say I should run GH a month before and after the cycle? That would be 6 month of GH? Would be $700 just of GH. Although if I am leaner and bigger, with low sides, that is a win.
Not really. Mine was $700 for 480 iu. I’m only a month in an it’s hands down a game changer.
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I am considering it with a high test blast. I like that it is a different pathway for growth, vs using more AAS.
I could buy 500 iu for $600 from my source. I could run that for 5 months at 3.3 iu per day. I also like that this blast would be almost all naturally occurring hormones (except Tbol at the end).
It is just a bit off putting to me not so much on the money side, but that I am sending my source $1000 (including AAS), and they are mailing me my stuff. I trust my source, but shit happens in the mail. Also I am pretty frugal.
If you were going to do the AAS blast for 15 weeks, would you run the GH a bit longer? Would you start the GH before the AAS? Both? Is 3.3 iu enough to move the needle much?
Make multiple orders I broke mine up into two orders just incase something happened.
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Not a terrible idea. I would be hit with an extra $50 for shipping, but that would not be too bad.
I am thinking about trying those mysterious bitcoins. Really been fluctuating a lot lately. Ol’ Musky could make a twitter post that costs me $100 or something.
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I just use cash app. It takes me legitimately less than 30 seconds to purchase bit coin and send it to my sources wallet. It happens so fast that there’s really no time to lose much. The first time I used Coinbase and something else and lost like $70 by the time I received the bit coin and sent it. Never again.
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