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Ziploc Zip n Steam Bags

Shugart mentioned these in one of his articles and seeing as how I lack veggies I thought I would try them.

WOW! We now have no reason not to eat veggies. Put raw veggies in bag, nuke as per directed on bag (1-4mins depending) and eat perfectly steamed veggies. Simple and tasty. I use each bag 3 times.

[quote]Brazen T wrote:
Shugart mentioned these in one of his articles and seeing as how I lack veggies I thought I would try them.

WOW! We now have no reason not to eat veggies. Put raw veggies in bag, nuke as per directed on bag (1-4mins depending) and eat perfectly steamed veggies. Simple and tasty. I use each bag 3 times.[/quote]

       Yeah, I've been giving these a go lately too, and talk about easy..Oh wait, no I've been using the pre-packaged veggies, I'll try those individual baggies out too. Hopefully they are as safe as the manufacturer touts them as being. I don't see how they could hurt, but have heard in the past to never use anything micro'd in plastic or tupperware containers from a very smart person.

                  ToneBone

So there are no xenoestrogen concerns with the bags?

[quote]Brazen T wrote:
Shugart mentioned these in one of his articles and seeing as how I lack veggies I thought I would try them.

WOW! We now have no reason not to eat veggies. Put raw veggies in bag, nuke as per directed on bag (1-4mins depending) and eat perfectly steamed veggies. Simple and tasty. I use each bag 3 times.[/quote]

I use them every day and love’em.

Even microwaveable containers?

I would never heat my food in plastic. The zip loc bags may have a higher melting temperature than other plastics, but guaranteed some will still melt. I guess if it is that convenient for you, you can make the sacrifice of consuming the xenoestrogens, but personally I’d rather just use a steamer on a pot.

[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
I would never heat my food in plastic. The zip loc bags may have a higher melting temperature than other plastics, but guaranteed some will still melt. I guess if it is that convenient for you, you can make the sacrifice of consuming the xenoestrogens, but personally I’d rather just use a steamer on a pot. [/quote]

       Yeah, I usually just use the ol steamer which works great with no health concerns, but occasionally the wife brings home the pre/micro "safe" bagged shit, and then I will consume it if it's lying around. Definitely know that microwaving in plastic containers is bad for you, but from what I've heard the bags are supposed to be relatively safe. Having said that, I will continue to just steam frozen and other veggies primarily with the steamer to be safe.

                 ToneBone

Wow! If you asked a team of people to come up with a way to make vegetables completely void and lifeless and somehow harmful for you, this would be the answer. Microwaving your food is bad enough but adding xenoestrogens to the mix kicks it up a notch. Well I guess you could deep fry them and THEN do this to them, that would be worse.

Seriously teh old school steamer things cost like 5 bucks at Marshall’s or less. I made steamed broccoli this morning to take with me for my lunch meals in approx 5-8 minutes with that.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
Wow! If you asked a team of people to come up with a way to make vegetables completely void and lifeless and somehow harmful for you, this would be the answer. Microwaving your food is bad enough but adding xenoestrogens to the mix kicks it up a notch. Well I guess you could deep fry them and THEN do this to them, that would be worse.

Seriously teh old school steamer things cost like 5 bucks at Marshall’s or less. I made steamed broccoli this morning to take with me for my lunch meals in approx 5-8 minutes with that.[/quote]

             Yeah the plastics aren't cool, but dude, microwaving food is perfectly fine. That's one of the biggest crocks of shit the status quo would have you believe. Any person of high intelligence will tell you this. It's just as safe as any other convection or otherwise mode of cooking. Don't be scared of it. It's a compliment to the other ways to cook. Inside out, that's it. Cooks very well and very quickly. Yeah it's not for everything but it has its place. Show me people who are having problems with it since it came out....there are none.

                   ToneBone

[quote]InTheZone wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Yeah the plastics aren’t cool, but dude, microwaving food is perfectly fine. That’s one of the biggest crocks of shit the status quo would have you believe. Any person of high intelligence will tell you this. It’s just as safe as any other convection or otherwise mode of cooking. Don’t be scared of it. It’s a compliment to the other ways to cook. Inside out, that’s it. Cooks very well and very quickly. Yeah it’s not for everything but it has its place. Show me people who are having problems with it since it came out…there are none.

                   ToneBone[/quote]

Not sure if I understand, the “status quo” is using the microwaves and eating denatured food and breeding sickness. We, as a nation, have become sicker and weaker than ever in our recorded history. Actually there are thousands of researchers with “high intelligence” that feel that microwaving food is extremely detrimental to one’s health. As usual America is far behind other parts of the world in research in this area.

The Russians did research on thousands of workers who had been exposed to microwaves during the development of radar in the 1950�??s. Their research showed health problems so serious that the Russians set strict limits of 10 microwatts exposure for workers and one microwatt for civilians.

In Robert O. Becker�??s book, The Body Electric, he described Russian research on the health effects of microwave radiation, which they called �??microwave sickness.�?? On page 314, Becker states:

�??Its [Microwave sickness] first signs are low blood pressure and slow pulse. The later and most common manifestations are chronic excitation of the sympathetic nervous system [stress syndrome] and high blood pressure. This phase also often includes headache, dizziness, eye pain, sleeplessness, irritability, anxiety, stomach pain, nervous tension, inability to concentrate, hair loss, plus an increased incidence of appendicitis, cataracts, reproductive problems, and cancer. The chronic symptoms are eventually succeeded by crisis of adrenal exhaustion and ischemic heart disease [the blockage of coronary arteries and heart attacks].�??

According to Dr. Lee, changes are observed in the blood chemistries and the rates of certain diseases among consumers of microwaved foods. The symptoms above can easily be caused by the observations shown below. The following is a sample of these changes:

  • Lymphatic disorders were observed, leading to decreased ability to prevent certain types of cancers.

  • An increased rate of cancer cell formation was observed in the blood.

  • Increased rates of stomach and intestinal cancers were observed.

  • Higher rates of digestive disorders and a gradual breakdown of the systems of elimination were observed.

Microwave Research Conclusions

The following were the most significant German and Russian research operations facilities concerning the biological effects of microwaves:

  1. The initial research conducted by the Germans during the Barbarossa military campaign, at the Humbolt-Universitat zu Berlin (1942-1943); and,

  2. From 1957 and up to the present [until the end of the cold war], the Russian research operations were conducted at: the Institute of Radio Technology at Kinsk, Byelorussian Autonomous Region; and, at the Institute of Radio Technology at Rajasthan in the Rossiskaja Autonomous Region, both in the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics.

In most cases, the foods used for research analysis were exposed to microwave propagation at an energy potential of 100 kilowatts/cm3/second, to the point considered acceptable for sanitary, normal ingestion. The effects noted by both German and Russian researchers is presented in three categories:

        Category I, Cancer-Causing Effects 

        Category II, Nutritive Destruction of Foods 

        Category III, Biological Effects of Exposure   

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        Category I -- Cancer-Causing Effects 

[The first two points of Category I are not readable from our report copy. The remainder of the report is intact.]

  1. Creation of a �??binding effect�?? to radioactivity in the atmosphere, thus causing a marked increase in the amount of alpha and beta particle saturation in foods;

  2. Creation of cancer causing agents within protein hydrolysate compounds* in milk and cereal grains [*these are natural proteins that are split into unnatural fragments by the addition of water];

  3. Alteration of elemental food-substances, causing disorders in the digestive system by unstable catabolism* of foods subjected to microwaves [*the metabolic breakdown process];

  4. Due to chemical alterations within food substances, malfunctions were observed within the lymphatic systems [absorbent vessels], causing a degeneration of the immune potentials of the body to protect against certain forms of neoplastics [abnormal growths of tissue];

  5. Ingestion of microwaved foods caused a higher percentage of cancerous cells within the blood serum [cytomas – cell tumors such as sarcoma];

  6. Microwave emissions caused alteration in the catabolic [metabolic breakdown] behavior of glucoside [hydrolyzed dextrose] and galactoside [oxidized alcohol] elements within frozen fruits when thawed in this manner;

  7. Microwave emission caused alteration of the catabolic [metabolic breakdown] behavior of plant alkaloids [organic nitrogen based elements] when raw, cooked, or frozen vegetables were exposed for even extremely short durations;

  8. Cancer causing free radicals [highly reactive incomplete molecules] were formed within certain trace mineral molecular formations in plant substances, and in particular, raw root-vegetables; and,

  9. In a statistically high percentage of persons, microwaved foods caused stomach and intestinal cancerous growths, as well as a general degeneration of peripheral cellular tissues, with a gradual breakdown of the function of the digestive and excretive systems.

     Category II -- Decrease in Food Value   
    

Microwave exposure caused significant decreases in the nutritive value of all foods researched. The following are the most important findings:

  1. A decrease in the bioavailability [capability of the body to utilize the nutriment] of B-complex vitamins, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, essential minerals and lipotropics in all foods;

  2. A loss of 60-90% of the vital energy field content of all tested foods;

  3. A reduction in the metabolic behavior and integration process capability of alkaloids [organic nitrogen based elements], glucosides and galactosides, and nitrilosides;

  4. A destruction of the nutritive value of nucleoproteins in meats;

  5. A marked acceleration of structural disintegration in all foods.

      Category III -- Biological Effects of Exposure   
    

Exposure to microwave emissions also had an unpredictably negative effect upon the general biological welfare of humans. This was not discovered until the Russians experimented with highly sophisticated equipment and discovered that a human did not even need to ingest the material substance of the microwaved food substances: that even exposure to the energy-field itself was sufficient to cause such adverse side effects that the use of any such microwave apparatus was forbidden in 1976 by Soviet state law. The following are the enumerated effects:

  1. A breakdown of the human �??life-energy field�?? in those who were exposed to microwave ovens while in operation, with side-effects to the human energy field of increasingly longer duration;

  2. A degeneration of the cellular voltage parallels during the process of using the apparatus, especially in the blood and lymphatic areas;

  3. A degeneration and destabilization of the external energy activated potentials of food utilization within the processes of human metabolism;

  4. A degeneration and destabilization of internal cellular membrane potentials while transferring catabolic [metabolic breakdown] processes into the blood serum from the digestive process;

  5. Degeneration and circuit breakdowns of electrical nerve impulses within the junction potentials of the cerebrum [the front portion of the brain where thought and higher functions reside];

  6. A degeneration and breakdown of nerve electrical circuits and loss of energy field symmetry in the neuroplexuses [nerve centers] both in the front and the rear of the central and autonomic nervous systems;

  7. Loss of balance and circuiting of the bioelectric strengths within the ascending reticular activating system [the system which controls the function of consciousness];

  8. A long term cumulative loss of vital energies within humans, animals and plants that were located within a 500-meter radius of the operational equipment;

  9. Long lasting residual effects of magnetic �??deposits�?? were located throughout the nervous system and lymphatic system;

  10. A destabilization and interruption in the production of hormones and maintenance of hormonal balance in males and females;

  11. Markedly higher levels of brainwave disturbance in the alpha, theta, and delta wave signal patterns of persons exposed to microwave emission fields, and;

  12. Because of this brainwave disturbance, negative psychological effects were noted, including loss of memory, loss of ability to concentrate, suppressed emotional threshold, deceleration of intellective processes, and interruptive sleep episodes in a statistically higher percentage of individuals subjected to continual range emissive field effects of microwave apparatus, either in cooking apparatus or in transmission stations.

Forensic Research Conclusions

From the 28 above enumerated indications, the use of microwave apparatus is definitely not advisable; and, with the decision of the Soviet government in 1976, present scientific opinion in many countries concerning the use of such apparatus is clearly in evidence.

Due to the problem of random magnetic residulation and binding within the biological systems of the body (Category III:9), which can ultimately effect the neurological systems, primarily the brain and neuroplexuses (nerve centers), long term depolarization of tissue neuroelectric circuits can result. Because these effects can cause virtually irreversible damage to the neuroelectrical integrity of the various components of the nervous system (I. R. Luria, Novosibirsk 1975a), ingestion of microwaved foods is clearly contraindicated in all respects. Their magnetic residual effect can render the pyschoneural receptor components of the brain more subject to influence psychologically by artificially induced microwave radio frequency fields from transmission stations and TV relay-networks.

The theoretical possibility of psycho telemetric influence (the capability of affecting human behavior by transmitted radio signals at controlled frequencies) has been suggested by Soviet neuropsychological investigations at Uralyera and Novosibirsk (Luria and Perov, 1974a, 1975c, 1976a), which can cause involuntary subliminal psychological energy field compliance to operative microwave apparatus.

[Forensic Research Document, Prepared By: William P. Kopp, A. R. E. C. Research Operations, TO61-7R10/10-77F05, Release Priority: Class I ROO1a]

Ten Reasons to Throw Out Your Microwave Oven (Reprise)

From the conclusions of the Swiss, Russian and German scientific clinical studies, we can no longer ignore the microwave oven sitting in our kitchens. Based on this research, we will conclude this article with the following:

1). Continually eating food processed from a microwave oven causes long term – permanent – brain damage by �??shorting out�?? electrical impulses in the brain [de-polarizing or de-magnetizing the brain tissue]. [Remember!?]

2). The human body cannot metabolize [break down] the unknown by-products created in microwaved food.

3). Male and female hormone production is shut down and/or altered by continually eating microwaved foods.

4). The effects of microwaved food by-products are residual [long term, permanent] within the human body.

5). Minerals, vitamins, and nutrients of all microwaved food is reduced or altered so that the human body gets little or no benefit, or the human body absorbs altered compounds that cannot be broken down.

6). The minerals in vegetables are altered into cancerous free radicals when cooked in microwave ovens.

7). Microwaved foods cause stomach and intestinal cancerous growths [tumors]. This may explain the rapidly increased rate of colon cancer in America.

8). The prolonged eating of microwaved foods causes cancerous cells to increase in human blood.

9). Continual ingestion of microwaved food causes immune system deficiencies through lymph gland and blood serum alterations.

10). Eating microwaved food causes loss of memory, concentration, emotional instability, and a decrease of intelligence.

I had to put on my tin foil hat to read all of that, but honestly everything around us has been shown to cause cancer. We are stuck with purified oxygem and Twinkies I think, everything else has a study to show us how bad it is.

Would it be better to consume raw veggies you picked yourself from your garden that didn’t use any pesticides? Sure… is anyone going to freaking do that or can we just buy some vegetables from a store and heat it up in the death box/microwave and worry about the rest of our lives instead of trivial things like this?

I have a bamboo steamer. This is better than nuking veggies because bamboo gives you samurai powers.

[quote]Scott M wrote:
I had to put on my tin foil hat to read all of that, but honestly everything around us has been shown to cause cancer. We are stuck with purified oxygem and Twinkies I think, everything else has a study to show us how bad it is.

Would it be better to consume raw veggies you picked yourself from your garden that didn’t use any pesticides? Sure… is anyone going to freaking do that or can we just buy some vegetables from a store and heat it up in the death box/microwave and worry about the rest of our lives instead of trivial things like this?[/quote]

Tin foil hat…hahaha. That was great. And I agree, everything seems to cause cancer now.

I’m officially fucked as pretty much all 6 of my daily meals are re-heated in the death box. I cook in bulk twice a week and rely on the death box heavily.

[quote]Brazen T wrote:
Scott M wrote:
I had to put on my tin foil hat to read all of that, but honestly everything around us has been shown to cause cancer. We are stuck with purified oxygem and Twinkies I think, everything else has a study to show us how bad it is.

Would it be better to consume raw veggies you picked yourself from your garden that didn’t use any pesticides? Sure… is anyone going to freaking do that or can we just buy some vegetables from a store and heat it up in the death box/microwave and worry about the rest of our lives instead of trivial things like this?

Tin foil hat…hahaha. That was great. And I agree, everything seems to cause cancer now.

I’m officially fucked as pretty much all 6 of my daily meals are re-heated in the death box. I cook in bulk twice a week and rely on the death box heavily.[/quote]

Agreed ;<

it takes longer to microwave shit than it does to eat it cold… :wink:

[quote]storey420 wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Yeah the plastics aren’t cool, but dude, microwaving food is perfectly fine. That’s one of the biggest crocks of shit the status quo would have you believe. Any person of high intelligence will tell you this. It’s just as safe as any other convection or otherwise mode of cooking. Don’t be scared of it. It’s a compliment to the other ways to cook. Inside out, that’s it. Cooks very well and very quickly. Yeah it’s not for everything but it has its place. Show me people who are having problems with it since it came out…there are none.

                   ToneBone

Not sure if I understand, the “status quo” is using the microwaves and eating denatured food and breeding sickness. We, as a nation, have become sicker and weaker than ever in our recorded history. Actually there are thousands of researchers with “high intelligence” that feel that microwaving food is extremely detrimental to one’s health. As usual America is far behind other parts of the world in research in this area.

The Russians did research on thousands of workers who had been exposed to microwaves during the development of radar in the 1950�??s. Their research showed health problems so serious that the Russians set strict limits of 10 microwatts exposure for workers and one microwatt for civilians.

[/quote]

Microwaving people is bad. Microwaving food is fine.

Just my 2c at epic post above… “and eating denatured food and breeding sickness”… I’m pretty sure that when you cook an egg you denature the protein. I’m also pretty sure that it hasn’t killed the people who eat them every day by the dozen.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
I have a bamboo steamer. This is better than nuking veggies because bamboo gives you samurai powers. [/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think the real issue here is the fact that nobody knows how to cook anymore, or at least nobody seems to care about flavor. Sure, microwaving veggies in a bag is convenient, but you can’t tell me that it doesn’t taste like a blow-up doll’s asshole. Why in god’s name would you do that when you can saute or steam your veggies in less than ten minutes. And then, at least you know that they are fresh.

Microwaves are useful for leftovers and whatnot, but cooking with one is just plain wrong. It’s the same as masturbation: yeah, the end result is the same, but the real thing is just that much better.

the website has a whole questions and answers section that seems to indicate they are completely safe. Am I really putting myself at risk by using them?