[quote]Spartiates wrote:
pat wrote:
Let’s see, all the palestinians have to do, it renounce violence against Israel, recognize Israel’s right to exist and accept 1967 borders and the problem is solved. There will be a nationally recognized country called Palestine.
It’s so hard for them to do something so simple. They don’t even have to like Israel, just quit fucking bombing them and it’s finished. Sorry, the problem isn’t zionism. It’s stubbornness, hate and flat stupidity…The palestinian situation, however tragic is self imposed…I feel bad for those who don’t agree and are stuck. Those who think that hate and violence against Israel and Jews is fine and necessary get no pity; fuck 'em, go on an starve, just don’t do that to your neighbor.
Why does there have to be a Jewish state? Most “modern”, non-ass-backwards states are not based on religion. Despite a couple whackjobs’ narcissistic revision of history, the US was not founded as a religious nations, and certainly not founded/operated as the apparatus of a specific religion… And neither are most countries that are doing “ok”. There are exceptions. There are some ass-backwards places that got lucky, and have the resources (for now) to continue to be ass-backwards without being broke. But for the most part, modern, democratic, functional states are not religion specific… and then there is Israel…
Why does Israel need to be a Jewish state? Couldn’t it just be a secular-democratic state? It’s at that point where Zionism becomes the same type of problem as radical Islam, where something like that is totally unacceptable.
When we act like it’s legit for one group to cite their crazy mythology against another group’s… that’s just crazy. Yeah, there were Jews there thousands of years ago… yeah, there was a Jewish majority… then those same people became mostly Christian for about six hundred years. Then most of those people became Muslim… it’s not like the actual makeup of the people in the area has changed that dramatically. It’s still basically the sane Semitic tribes (actually it’s changed more since 1947 with all those non-Semitic Jews from the States and Europe moving in) that have been there for five thousand years.
Time to stop fighting and grow up.
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If it wasn’t a jewish state it would be an islamic state.
Why does there have to be a Jewish state? Most “modern”, non-ass-backwards states are not based on religion. Despite a couple whackjobs’ narcissistic revision of history, the US was not founded as a religious nations, and certainly not founded/operated as the apparatus of a specific religion… And neither are most countries that are doing “ok”. There are exceptions. There are some ass-backwards places that got lucky, and have the resources (for now) to continue to be ass-backwards without being broke. But for the most part, modern, democratic, functional states are not religion specific… and then there is Israel…
Why does Israel need to be a Jewish state? Couldn’t it just be a secular-democratic state? It’s at that point where Zionism becomes the same type of problem as radical Islam, where something like that is totally unacceptable.
When we act like it’s legit for one group to cite their crazy mythology against another group’s… that’s just crazy. Yeah, there were Jews there thousands of years ago… yeah, there was a Jewish majority… then those same people became mostly Christian for about six hundred years. Then most of those people became Muslim… it’s not like the actual makeup of the people in the area has changed that dramatically. It’s still basically the sane Semitic tribes (actually it’s changed more since 1947 with all those non-Semitic Jews from the States and Europe moving in) that have been there for five thousand years.
Time to stop fighting and grow up.[/quote]
There is much dumb stuff in this post, but the first reply is that Israel is a secular-democratic state.
No one cares that Israel is made up of predominanly Jewish folks - except the nations surrounding it who pine for its destruction.
[quote]koffea wrote:
Makavali wrote:
But I’m not talking about atheistic communists, I’m talking about Israel. Land may be a scarce resource, but there was no need to take a piece and declare it a new country.
so by the that logic New Zealanders ought to abandon new Zealand unless your MÃ??ori. same for the United States too.
“If every Palestinian laid down their weapons, there would be peace. If every Israeli lay down their weapons, there would be a massacre.” I cant remember who said that, but I absolutely believe it to be true. If you donâ??t believe that Palestinians are in absence of a state due to their own hate filled hearts, I suggest you read up on the Clinton Parameters. Prime Minister Barak agreed to them, Yasser Arafat walked away. I had hoped that once Yasser Arafat had died, there would be peace soon. But any hope of that dwindled the moment hamas forcefully took control.
“Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us”, prime minister Golda Meir. And as they send there children out to be suicide bombers, this statement rings more true each day.[/quote]
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
There is much dumb stuff in this post, but the first reply is that Israel is a secular-democratic state.[/quote]
As evidenced by he Lieberman Plan, the derogatory language used against Arabs by members of the Knesset or the IDF, the comic strip declaring that a “good Arab is a dead Arab”, or the largely documented racist sentiment in Israel.
If you think Israel is secular, then so is Jordan and Lebanon.
First of all, those Jewish folks were imported en masse in a very short time. That’s one big issue.
It’s not the Jews that were a problem in Palestine. They lived there for a long time, in large proportions, and nobody thought about setting up an inquisition Spanish style, or ovens German style. It’s the ones that flooded the place, didn’t dress like the locals, didn’t speak their language, and were shooting their way into a state.
[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
There is much dumb stuff in this post, but the first reply is that Israel is a secular-democratic state.
As evidenced by he Lieberman Plan, the derogatory language used against Arabs by members of the Knesset or the IDF, the comic strip declaring that a “good Arab is a dead Arab”, or the largely documented racist sentiment in Israel.
If you think Israel is secular, then so is Jordan and Lebanon.
No one cares that Israel is made up of predominanly Jewish folks
First of all, those Jewish folks were imported en masse in a very short time. That’s one big issue.
It’s not the Jews that were a problem in Palestine. They lived there for a long time, in large proportions, and nobody thought about setting up an inquisition Spanish style, or ovens German style. It’s the ones that flooded the place, didn’t dress like the locals, didn’t speak their language, and were shooting their way into a state.
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That land was owned by England, given to the Jews and ratified by the UN…The ones shooting were the arab countries that were pissed about it.
[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
There is much dumb stuff in this post, but the first reply is that Israel is a secular-democratic state.
As evidenced by he Lieberman Plan, the derogatory language used against Arabs by members of the Knesset or the IDF, the comic strip declaring that a “good Arab is a dead Arab”, or the largely documented racist sentiment in Israel.
If you think Israel is secular, then so is Jordan and Lebanon.
No one cares that Israel is made up of predominanly Jewish folks
First of all, those Jewish folks were imported en masse in a very short time. That’s one big issue.
It’s not the Jews that were a problem in Palestine. They lived there for a long time, in large proportions, and nobody thought about setting up an inquisition Spanish style, or ovens German style. It’s the ones that flooded the place, didn’t dress like the locals, didn’t speak their language, and were shooting their way into a state.
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Lixy,
No one cares what whining Arab malcontents like yourself have to say. You should just be happy you’re living a country that’s full of Swedes instead of your ethnic kinsmen.
As evidenced by he Lieberman Plan, the derogatory language used against Arabs by members of the Knesset or the IDF, the comic strip declaring that a “good Arab is a dead Arab”, or the largely documented racist sentiment in Israel.
If you think Israel is secular, then so is Jordan and Lebanon.[/quote]
Nothing you mentioned was relevant to whether or not Israel is a secular-democratic state.
[quote]First of all, those Jewish folks were imported en masse in a very short time. That’s one big issue.
It’s not the Jews that were a problem in Palestine. They lived there for a long time, in large proportions, and nobody thought about setting up an inquisition Spanish style, or ovens German style. It’s the ones that flooded the place, didn’t dress like the locals, didn’t speak their language, and were shooting their way into a state.[/quote]
Lixy, you should have realized by now that I value the objectivity of your posts on Israel about as much as I value manure, as they are made of the same underlying substance.
By reading some history, he could have discovered that we Jews tried that already, in Europe.
That ended so well.
Some people are simply unable to accept our right to exist, unhinged from European or other permission. 2000 years of controlling the Jews have entrenched in them that it is their right to allow, or disallow, the Jew’s existence.