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Zero Carbing It?

From a weightloss standpoint would there be any horrible effect of having less than 10 grams of carbs a day? On a high fat/medium protein diet where the carbs are kept under 50 always, what would be the disadvantage of dropping them down a little further?

It seems I can function on low carbs pretty well actually, about as well as normal there is little brain fog/mental slugishness, workouts are going alright so far yadda yadda.

Would keeping carbs under 15 grams a day directly impect fatloss/muscle loss, is what I’m mainly after.

I’m following the get shredded diet and take bcaas between meals with creatine.

If anyone is familiar with anything feel free to chime in.

EVERYONE would be better off on less than 30gr carbs per day. The AD bears this out in reality. This works as long as you frequently (1x per wk) give yourself a spike of 100-300gr carbs. I’ve dropped near 30lbs in the last 6 months from doing just that ^. Again your real life experience WILL be different and don’t take mine or ANYONE’s advice on the damn internet as 100% accurate. Find out for yourself how YOUR body reacts. IWO think for YOURSELF!!!

i aim for sub 100g a day, mainly because to beat the hunger I eat 1 KG of green veg a day.

I do notice that when I have my fill of spinach instead of green beans ( and consequently take in about 60g less carbs ) for a period of 4 or 5 days I see better fat loss results.

Also in general when I go as low as 15g on a day I feel REALLY lean the next morning, although I expect this is all in my head.

im taking the BCAA and creatine aka the shred diet too. Add in HOT-ROX and I havent seen any detrimental effects of hitting sub 20g carb intakes for on average 2 days a week for the last 5 weeks.

Try it. If u find u cannot maintain ur strength, cycle ur carb intake. Have a no carb, a low carb, and a high carb day. On no carb do not take carbs, take in 250 grams of protein and 4g of fish oil. On low carb have 200g of carbs spread between breakfast and postworkout meals,200g of protein 4 grams of fish oil. On high carb take in 300g of carbohydrates 150g of protein and 8g of fish oil.

Your carbohydrates should be from rice, pasta, spagetti.Do not deprive urself from sugars if u r craving them, so long as u count them in. if u follow this, u might even increase in strength while ur weight drops.

As far as I’ve read and experienced, it’s better to cycle carbs because the body adapts to new situations in order to preserve it’s emergency fuel source. Also, not consuming carbs leads to very low muscle glycogen which tends to make muscles look “flatter” and not as full along with interfering with workout intensity.

Whether it’s carbs, cals, your workout routine, etc. cycling is the way to go. The body adapts so you have to change things up if you don’t want to reach a plateau.

[quote]FortDodge wrote:
EVERYONE would be better off on less than 30gr carbs per day.[/quote]

That’s the silliest statement I’ve read in a while.

Extreme low-carb diets work well for some, but it would be foolish to assume they are the best for everyone.

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
FortDodge wrote:
EVERYONE would be better off on less than 30gr carbs per day.

That’s the silliest statement I’ve read in a while.

Extreme low-carb diets work well for some, but it would be foolish to assume they are the best for everyone.[/quote]

Yup.

Some people respond extremely well to carbs, others don’t - no one is the same.

Edit:
Also, I think you’re selling yourself short trying to add muscle on a low carb approach, but that’s just my opinion.

Aside from blunting your appitite and the inefficiency of using protein for energy, there wouldn’t be a big difference between a low carb diet and a not carb diet. Your body will be taking a lot of the protein to you eat and turning the amino acids into glucose through gluconeogenisis. I prefer low carb, not no carb. I still rip fat off, but function a lot better. And I use Surge peri workout.

Yea, I was speaking generally. I seriously do beleive that a drastically reduced carb intake would benefit everyone. I have had (0) carbs today and feel great. I carb loaded yesterday w/ 8 dougnuts. My glucose level remains for several days after I load. (1) One day per week is usually enough for me.

I am using HOT-ROX as the diet states.

So far I feel good, a little hungry :smiley: but my strength seems to be where its at normally. If this drops in the next week when I drop carbs even further I’ll start to add them back in.

It seems I function well both with and without carbs, when I was bulking I took in 300+ grams a day and didn’t get too fat.

We’ll see how it goes, thanks for the input.

[quote]FortDodge wrote:
Yea, I was speaking generally. I seriously do beleive that a drastically reduced carb intake would benefit everyone. I have had (0) carbs today and feel great. I carb loaded yesterday w/ 8 dougnuts. My glucose level remains for several days after I load. (1) One day per week is usually enough for me.[/quote]

yeah, athletes would do great with drastically reduced carb intake, lol.

Another question I had was whether or not increasing “nepa” (non exercise physical activity) to a pretty high amount would increase muscle lost, or just speed up the fat loss process. I have a ton of time and could probably go on 5-10 mile walks every day, although I don’t know if this would help or hurt.

If you don’t consume carbs the energy has to come from somewhere. If it supposedly is from glucu-genesis (?) then the body has to have something to use as a catalyst to do the work of the conversion.

Dude, go (0) carbs for 5 days at a time then eat whatever the hell you want. You’ll drop adipose faster than you will beleive possible…trust me. I’ll be down 40lbs in less than 4mo. following my own advice. Try it for a month then come back and post your results. I look forward to it.

[quote]FortDodge wrote:
If you don’t consume carbs the energy has to come from somewhere.[/quote]

I realize I’ll be dropping weight very fast. I’m concerned with losing muscle. Especially if I increase my activity levels quite a bit. Even if the activity isnt strenuous at all.

[quote]Defekt wrote:
Another question I had was whether or not increasing “nepa” (non exercise physical activity) to a pretty high amount would increase muscle lost, or just speed up the fat loss process. I have a ton of time and could probably go on 5-10 mile walks every day, although I don’t know if this would help or hurt.[/quote]

This a great idea. I walk with a 40 lbs weighted pack atleast an hour everyday. It has really helped me drop fat. It doesn’t affect my lifting or recovery. I too am no-carbing it. I just get trace carbs from meat, eggs, protein powder. I also use HOT-ROX. Careful about your feet though. I walked about 15 miles last week and it tore my feet to hell.

Gluconeogenisis is the process of creating glucose from scratch, primarily from amino acids which constitute protein. Using protein to create carbohydrate is not a terrible efficient process, energy can be derived from breaking the CC bonds. Our nervous system operates optimally when supplied with glucose, otherwise it has to use ketones which are able to pass through the blood brain barrier.

A drastically reduced carbohydrate diet suitable for everyone is just plain stupid. What about the phytochemicals, fiber, vitamins, plant sterols, monounsaturated fats, and the host of other beneficial compounds in fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. Oh, and don’t get me started on how unhealthy carb loading on fucking doughnuts is, come on, be serious. Or at least quantify your statements.

Oh, and carbohydrate constitutes the vast majority of food that is consumed, good luck getting people to not eat plants.

Alright. I’ll start adding a bunch of very low intensity cardio in on top of lifting 3x a week. I’m only cutting 8-12 weeks max, just to get a litlle pudge off before I bulk. At the 8 week mark I’ll see where I’m at and if I want to be a little leaner then I’ll go another 4 weeks. So, I’m trying to get the most out of these next two months.

I’m still worried that if I’m eating 2000 calories a day and end up burning an extra 500-1000 from walking/lifting would make my body turn to my muscle for energy.

up your calories a little then. If you do, just increase the amount of nepa you do. it’s all about g-flux, sorta.

Defekt, is it possible for you to post your meal plan? I’m on a low-carb diet right now (under 30g/day), but would be interested in what you are eating on a zero-carb meal plan.

Are you not eating any veggies, or are you counting that as 0 carbs because of the dietary fiber?

Thanks in advance.

Why high fat? No your body will be fine, probably incredibly weak though. I know the 1 week I managed to low carb diet I could barely stay awake for more then 3 hours at a time. Def. not my cup of tea. I prefer my tea green with lemon and honey.