‘Black people have voted for Democrats their whole life and they’re still poor’
- Charles Barkley
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I understand what you are saying and I think that Trump should be trying to work really hard getting the Hispanic vote, the female vote (and that’s not out of reach), and other groups as well. But, it seems that in the past the republicans have wasted millions trying to woe the black voter and has failed each and every time. I think the money is better spent on the rest of the demographics.
Long term I think the black population needs to be educated as to what the democrats have done to them over the past many decades. But that is a long-term proposal that will take many more participants than one Presidential candidate given only a handful of months.
Yes, and now for many of them it is a dependency issue. They are thinking “if I don’t vote for a democrat will my checks continue to roll in?”
Granted, this is not the entire group, obviously not. But it is enough of them to make a difference.
By the way speaking of the black vote from what I’ve read they are not going to turn out for Hillary at numbers even close to what they did for Obama.
This is the messaging problem I spoke about.
You don’t intend to sound “racist” here (for lack of a better word). However, when someone is already wary of you due to your party affiliation (any republican running) this sounds like:
- Republicans think POC are voting stock, trying to “woe” us. As if we can be bought off.
- Blacks are ignorant and need a Republican to educate them? psssh
It’s about message, message message.
Saying it a different way will make a significant difference in if someone will listen to you. How about:
But it seems in the past the Republicans have failed to get their messages of X Policy effectively out to the majority of Black voters, as I believe if they were able to do such a thing, that demographic wouldn’t be so lopsided towards democrats. I think pointing out, using specific examples, of democrat run strong holds are still pretty miserable places for people to live will help, but the Republicans will need to offer a staunch and clear solution that is trust worthy.
I mean, think about it. Sanders got his ass handed to him by everyone other the white males and naïve youth. If all people voting Dem wanted was handouts and gibmedats, he would have crushed Clinton.
Their is a culture war between the two parties, and as the losing side, the republicans need to fix their message.
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While republicans have an obvious problem attracting black voters it seems that Hillary Clinton is not exciting nearly the numbers of black voters that Obama did.
Clinton is popular among African Americans but not as intensely as Obama. A Washington Post-ABC News poll in late May found 53 percent of blacks reporting a “strongly favorable” impression of Clinton, compared with 68 percent who said this about Obama in a poll last fall. Seventy percent said she is honest, but 91 percent said the same of Obama last fall. And while 75 percent said Clinton “understands the problems of people like you,” this was significantly lower than Obama’s 91 percent last fall.
One more point:
The (modern) traditional democrat voting blocks have been
Unionized labor
Young voters
Ethnic minorities
The highly educated
Women
If young voters are disillusioned after Bernie loses the nomination could they stay home, or possibly some of them vote for Trump?
I also think that the democrats will lose a key voting block (or much of it) in union voters as they see Trump as a job creator and Clinton as a backstabber as she appeared to be with the coal miners of West Virginia.
I was not weighing my words but trying to get my point across. I think we’ve become far too politically correct. If I said that “republicans need to be educated in order to woe more Gay voters” you would not have thought twice.
But I do understand your point I just think it’s a really sad day when every word must be measured and parsed before it is presented. Granted if I were running for office (which I would never do) I would spend countless hours pouring over proper phrasing.
Edit: Anyway the point is the same. Black voters minds will not be changed in one election cycle.
Agreed on both points.
Also agree, by and large.
Obviously neither of us is saying people need to be accepting of any and all speech no matter the source or topic. For instance if someone is up on stage calling for all the rich people in America to be strung up and hanged from lightpoles I have no problem with people getting pissed.
Also agree.
I’m not arguing as much I guess here.
Final 2016 GOP primary popular vote: Trump 13,266,277. Romney in 2012: 9,809,662.
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Precisely my point Trump received something like 3.5 million more votes than Romney did four years ago. And he has also received about 5 million more votes than Hillary did this time around. The Trump voters are motivated. I am not saying I understand why exactly other than to put much of the blame on Obama, and not just his policies. Some of you may disagree but he seems to have acted as a passive professor for the past 7 1/2 years instead of a leader.
For example regardless of what you think of their policies Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were leaders and exceptional communicators. While Obama was certainly a charismatic figure I think that he squandered much of that because of his desire to not step up and lead in the fashion of the three Presidents cited above.
Edit: I should have noted that Trump had multiple opponents and still received more votes than Hillary who really only had to contend with Bernie once the other two dropped out.
It’s crazy to think where we are in this election. If a 75 year old socialist drops out, some of his supporters are likely to vote for the Republican nominee. Had I said that sentence out loud four years ago I would’ve been put in a nut house.
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You are spot on with your comments. This is the absolute craziest Presidential year I can remember. And it’s far from over we don’t yet know if Hillary will actually be the candidate with a possible indictment hanging over her head. What are your thoughts on her chances?
Her chances of winning or going to jail?
Well, at this point I am kind of disillusioned with the choice we have. Either way, Statism wins. As far as her chances go, I really think this is going to be neck and neck. I can only go by what I see around me and the impression I get from my little corner of the world is Trump wins.
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70% she wins. Next to zero chance she goes to jail.
100% chance that Trump would be far worse.
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This was in a field that started with 16 others there to siphon off votes, too. Those numbers certainly are interesting.
Ugh, Clinton has received almost 2.5 million more popular votes than Trump has.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
Also, primary turnout does not correlate to general turnout. The margin will be much larger come November.
I stand corrected. What I should have said is that the republicans received more votes than the democrats. But yeah people are really excited about a potential Hillary Presidency. So excited that she could not shake Bernie Sanders until the very end. Whereas Trump captured the nomination before she did and had to fight off 16 really qualified candidates unlike the one socialist nut that Hillary just couldn’t put away until the 15th round.
Edit: The republicans received almost 1 million more votes than the democrats.
I think that the enthusiasm shown to the republicans and newcomer Trump will indeed correlate to a better turnout for the presumptive republican nominee.
Edit: Primary turnout did seem to indicate heavier turnout for Obama in 2008.
In the presidential primaries, Democratic turnout exceeded Republican turnout 36,731,478 to 20,613,383.