There are for sure many folk on r/steroids and other forums who look great, but still are considered “natty looking” despite training and diet being on point. Because let’s be real, the steroids do a lot of the leg work for building muscle as long as you provide the nutrients and training. There’s a reason they give these drugs to bed ridden patients to put on muscle fast.
That being said, I really think genetics and muscle insertions is 90% of the battle to having that “fuck you” bodybuilder look. Do you think people are a little too harsh critiquing a natural vs enhanced physique? I think it’s ridiculous how people expect you to have IFBB pro-esque size or Gymshark shoulder to waist ratios to be considered a proper ‘user’. All that matters is THAT persons progress, nothing else.