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Year Round Cycle PCT & Recovery


#1

Hi guys,

First time posting. Im 28 years old. I ran 500 mg test-e with HCG at 250 iu 3x a week for about 12 months. I am very fearful of never being able to recover my natural T production and obviously my fertility. Im not looking to be scolded for not running proper PCTs and doing short cycles. I am looking for straight advice on what I can do now, with the stupid decision I made to stay on, to recover my function.

I believe going cold turkey will be disastrous both mentally and physiologically, so Im going to run 125 mg a week for 2 months, with HCG as usual, and then begin the PCT with Nolva at 20 mg a day. Will I also need clomid?

Any other advice on what I can do here? Is there a chance I can recover my function or am I likely fucked for life?

Not feeling great about it.

Thanks in advance.


#2

I’m in a similar boat. I’m just starting my blast (without hcg on cycle) and I still have time to consider all options but I believe I’ll use dr. scallys new power pct protocol but keeping nolva at 20 mg a day. I think we’re goona be fine bro. There’s obviously a chance your hpta could not restart but you seem to be going down a dark mental path and letting your negative thoughts take over, control that shit my man, keep it positive. This probably isn’t the answer you’re looking for, I’ll let someone else give you straight up answers for your concerns but I’m genuinely curious about your gains tho, how were they for cycling for the whole year?


#3

You ran HCG at 250iu 3X per week. That should have kept you from primary shut down. You will have complete secondary shutdown from a year of 500 mg test a week.

Why not try HCG at 500iu 3X per week solo? If you get good levels with that, then you know your balls work. You will probably gain some ball size during that time.

Once you get good levels with HCG, then you could try the Nolva to get you out of secondary hypogonadism.


#4

IMO gains had slowed down of course but I continued to make gains throughout the entire year. The reason being that I had taken time off from working out so was almost basically starting from scratch again when I picked it up a year ago - so I had lots of gains to make to come close to my genetic limit. My thinking was: 1 cycle isn’t going to get me to my genetic limit, so I’ll stay on for a while and jumpstart some solid progress before hopping off, which ended up being a year. So really it’s only like 4 12-week cycles, just that they were continuous. And I think it’d take about that many cycles for a person starting from scratch to reach their genetic muscle limit, no ? Which may be why my gains only in the past couple month have started to plateau. For example, my chest is way better now than it was after my first 12 weeks on the Test-e a year ago…

This wouldn’t work, however, for someone training natty for years and years since they are closer to their genetic limit and thus will max out their “natural” gains quicker and with less cycles. Am I wrong about this? Would it actually only take 1 cycle to bust through your genetic limit?


#5

Thank you for the advice. My balls do respond from increases in HCG. They become fuller and harder… so that’s a good sign ? When you say good levels of HCG, you mean to judge that by gauging nut size ? If so, then I’m good.

When I introduce the Nolva, will I have to continue to run the HCG?


#6

Dropping your test dosage for two months isn’t going to do anything for your HPTA. You need to stop external test period and start a PCT if you want to try for a recovery.


#7

I meant once you get good levels of testosterone by using HCG. If your balls got bigger that means they are healthy, producing testosterone and you are probably ready to go off of the HCG.

HCG is an LH mimicking hormone if you are male. So it will shut down LH production. The goal with the nolva is to increase LH and FSH hormones, so I would not use HCG with the nolva.

Basically, you used the HCG to get the balls going, and now you will use the nolva to get the pitutary gland producing LH and FSH.


#8

Got it. Thank you. Do you think my levels are going to crash hard?


#9

Hard to say. You are running HCG solo, right? If you feel pretty good with HCG solo, I would guess you probably won’t crash hard when you transition to nolva.

The pitutary (gland that makes LH and FSH) should come back fast, and you balls are up and running from the HCG, so it should be not to bad. I’m sure you won’t feel like you did on the test though, and you probably will have a short period of feeling crappy.


#10

Yes your levels are going to crash hard. Its going to suck for a little while and hopefully you recover. It not, there is always TRT for life which would suck at your age but you pay to play.


#11

God this is going to suck hard. My gains are going to evaporate too FML. I do eat 6K calories a day and train very intensely with good volume so hopefully I won’t go back to my skinny self. I finally look healthy looking.


#12

I don’t think it will be that bad if you feel good on HCG only. I think the pitutary comes back faster then the balls, so if you brought your balls back it should not be terrible. All things are relative though. It would be worse if you stopped cold turkey with no pct.


#13

Stop taking test. Continue w/ the HCG and add in the Nolva and see what happens. Get blood work done once you stop all the external stuff and see where you are.

If all is good, then great. If not, jump back on and enjoy the blast and cruise experience.


#14

I will say that I did my last T injection last Saturday and bumped up the HCG to 500 iu 3x/a week and I have felt miserably bad all week. ZERO motivation, just like the life ha seven zapped out of me. Huge Brain fog. Is this a bad sign that I don’t feel good on the hCG solo? Should I stay on it longer or begin the Nolva ?

I started the Nolva 40 mg today and I actually feel a little better but I’m still pretty deflated. This lack of motivation sucks.


#15

Ok I gotta Come clean. There is more to the story. Since I was already fully shutdown from the long Test e cycle and I had some Tren e, I thought to myself fuck it, I’ll run 200g Tren for a quick 4 weeks, pack on a little more mass and then get into PCT.

Well, I did one injection and I got pretty bad side effects for a week. The night sweats and all that, sure, but I got some anxiety too. I take Adderall for ADD when I need it and when I’d take that on the Tren I’d get sort of panicky. I could control it but it was affecting my work, so I said fuck that and stopped the Tren after only 1 pin.

Now I’m reading however that even 1 pin of Tren can shut you down harder than anything else !!! This might be why I felt so shit the last week after my last test E pin 2 Saturday’s ago. Perhaps the Tren ha shut me down even more ?

According to the half life of Tren I’ll still have about 25 mg circulating by Monday, a week after that, half of that,… probably should have waited until it was fully done to start the PCT but I was anxious to get off and try for a recovery.

This is a mess, I know.


#16

Gonna be a long recovery. Hopefully everything returns to normal or join the TRT club.


#17

How long we talking. Are you saying this because of the Tren ?


#18

It’s not all that bad boys. I’m hanging in there. Don’t feel too treacherous. But I do feel dull and lacklustre for sure, especially to start the day !!


#19

The amount of test and length of time you ran it is what I’d be concerned about. I don’t know of anyone on that long and how they were after. I’m just saying be patient and stop taking things if you wanna have hopes of recovering.


#20

The Nolva is making me feel better but I still feel a little deadened. Also I was reading an article about a football coach losing his wife and I started tearing up hearing about how they first met. Is this common with the Nolva ? Or is it the low T ? It happened at work too and I was so moved by the story I didn’t even care if someone saw me crying. lol fucking weird.