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Y'all Qaeda


#1

How many of you will join?


#2

I really hate that term. It attempts to equate US citizens with a violent terrorist organization.

The Bundy clan may be crazy–and fringe (although with respect to the BLM they are mostly right)–but they are US citizens and deserve due process in all ways. AQ is not and does not. Where domestic cells are concerned those are (often) citizens and deserve the same due process.

The Bundy clan is operating a glorified sit in right now, although they are armed so it is different.

Nobody is talking about the real story–the Hammonds and the BLM trampling them–because the Bundy move is more sensational.


#3

I will not, although I have considerable sympathy for the ranchers who are being abused by the BLM.

Long story short, the ranchers had a controlled burn on their ranch. It got slightly out of control and burned 126 acres of scrub land owned by the neighboring BLM before being put out by said ranchers. The fire caused no lasting damage (and, in fact, probably was a good thing) and was clearly an accident.

The judge gave a minimal sentence because it was an accident and the punishment (5 years for an accident) was “cruel and unusual.” The Obama administration appealed and got fascist judges to agree.

This weird Mormon group has decided to make it a cause celeb.

I have no use for the weird Mormon group, but I can tell you the BLM are a bunch of assholes. I own my ranch, free and clear. It is not rented or subject to BLM control. Nonetheless, they are constantly on my land, doing all sort of crap, from surveying (why?), to illegally building a road through my land to create a shortcut for them (a road which I got closed but no damages – because it was an “accident”) to cutting my fence (again, an “accident”) which permitted my cattle to wander off into BLM land – and for which they attempted to fine me because my cattle – which they let out – got on their land. This was also dismissed.

In short, they are crappy neighbors, and encouraged to be boorish by the administration in hopes that people will give up and sell their land to the government (which they have tried repeatedly).

I am lucky enough not to have a mortgage and to have sizable O&G production on the land which, even at $40 oil, keeps me well into the black. I also have a team of mean lawyers and, candidly, the Apache white-man-steal-my-native-land card, which I totally shove up their ass. My lawyer even bought me a turquoise arrowhead bolo tie for my deposition (worn with my Army dress blues, less medals and ribbons – looked very much like the oppressed Injun.) (It played very well in Sante Fe.)

Anyway, it’s just another land grab by Obama. It’s pretty typical.

The weirdos are not helping.


#4

This story has brought out the worst of the left I have ever seen in recent days. The media is incorrectly trying to label them as terrorists while many individuals on social media are calling for their removal in the same way we would deal with a terrorist threat (ie kill them all).


#5

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#6

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The prison sentences are completely outrageous in view of what actually occurred. There is no way justice was served. It was pure revenge. For that matter, the convictions themselves were ridiculous. I’ve been to eastern OR. 126 acres of wildfire burned scrub there is of no – NO – negative consequence.

But that is no longer what this story is about.[/quote]
It reminds me of Washington marching on the locals here in The Whiskey Rebellion.


#7

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
How many of you will join?[/quote]

If this is domestic terrorism, then so was the occupy wall street BS. Where innocent people were assaulted with body odor, bad breath, and garbage left behind by these morons who feel the world owes them a living.


#8

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I will not, although I have considerable sympathy for the ranchers who are being abused by the BLM.

Long story short, the ranchers had a controlled burn on their ranch. It got slightly out of control and burned 126 acres of scrub land owned by the neighboring BLM before being put out by said ranchers. The fire caused no lasting damage (and, in fact, probably was a good thing) and was clearly an accident.

The judge gave a minimal sentence because it was an accident and the punishment (5 years for an accident) was “cruel and unusual.” The Obama administration appealed and got fascist judges to agree.

This weird Mormon group has decided to make it a cause celeb.

I have no use for the weird Mormon group, but I can tell you the BLM are a bunch of assholes. I own my ranch, free and clear. It is not rented or subject to BLM control. Nonetheless, they are constantly on my land, doing all sort of crap, from surveying (why?), to illegally building a road through my land to create a shortcut for them (a road which I got closed but no damages – because it was an “accident”) to cutting my fence (again, an “accident”) which permitted my cattle to wander off into BLM land – and for which they attempted to fine me because my cattle – which they let out – got on their land. This was also dismissed.

In short, they are crappy neighbors, and encouraged to be boorish by the administration in hopes that people will give up and sell their land to the government (which they have tried repeatedly).

I am lucky enough not to have a mortgage and to have sizable O&G production on the land which, even at $40 oil, keeps me well into the black. I also have a team of mean lawyers and, candidly, the Apache white-man-steal-my-native-land card, which I totally shove up their ass. My lawyer even bought me a turquoise arrowhead bolo tie for my deposition (worn with my Army dress blues, less medals and ribbons – looked very much like the oppressed Injun.) (It played very well in Sante Fe.)

Anyway, it’s just another land grab by Obama. It’s pretty typical.

The weirdos are not helping.[/quote]

Good explanation.


#9

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

The weirdos are not helping.[/quote]

Thank you for your insight. I was especially wondering if the Bundy presence had any chance of helping at all, or if it was just mucking things up.


#10

Just so that it is clear, I am not saying I would join them or not, just opening the subject.


#11

I do not support reactionary shitkickers, but to call them terrorist when they have not committed acts of terrorism is profoundly ignorant. A terrorist is a person who targets and kills civilians to invoke fear and achieve a political goal. When they start to do that, then it is fair game to call them terrorists. At this point rebells or squatters describes them better.


#12

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#13

Thanks. I appear to have been deleted from this side of the website. I don’t know if I’ve been deleted on purpose or if it was an accident.


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#15

The Atlantic wrote what I felt to be a brilliant article on this whole topic.

I think the militia people are engaging in useless (because of the manner they are acting) and potentially dangerous activity.

And I think those who spread this… “Y’all Qaeda” crap really are just dumb-shit people who just want to feel like they’re part of a group.


#16

The occupiers are by definition engaging in terrorism. The used the threat of violence, be it implicit or explicit, in an attempt to achieve political ends.

No thoughts on the idiot rancher who was gunned downed by Oregon State police as he attempted to draw on them? Or on the arrest of his compatriots?


#17

No, they are not engaged in terrorism. Terrorism has as one of its primary components the targeting of civilians for slaughter in order to achieve political goals or dictate the political discourse (people, not occupying an empty building 30 miles from nowhere).

The Bundy group is engaged in criminal activity, no doubt about it. But they are not terrorists.

No, I don’t have any thoughts on the group being arrested or the man who was shot down. It was a traffic stop, it was his dumbass decision. Better that than a seige at the building that could potentially end with the militia group as martyrs for others that share their mentality.


#18

Interesting. The politics of division has really worked. There is now a part of our population calling for police to spill the blood of another “tribe” on the premise that two wrongs Do make right.
Once again I am amazed by the hatred and misgognition people are capable of due to political affiliation.


#19

Any “misgognition” in this thread is your own. No one has called for blood to be spilled. LaVoy Finicum attempted to draw a loaded 9mm handgun on Oregon State police while they were attempting to carry out his lawful arrest. His death is unfortunate, but irrefutably justified. That’s true whether one is a bleeding heart democratic socialist or an über conservative sympathetic to sedition.


#20

It’s quite telling that you resurfaced the other day with the mere mention of herpes.
Don’ t you have some fucking off to do? I’m pretty sure that you do.
Also, you must have missed that there is an article linked in the post I was responding to.