I’m not a wrestler and do not know much about it. I was wondering what you guys thought about the show realprowrestling. I never saw an episode…came on at very odd times. It looked like the UFC of wrestling. Good stuff or pretty lame?
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Hope this picture goes through, not wrestling… but the same gist.[/quote]
LOL!
True story: right before my senior year of HS, I had decided to join the wrestling team. I had gotten into great shape over the summer getting ready for football, and was looking forward to wrestling season which began after football. Plus, the new wrestling coach was also my O-line coach.
What happened was the coach recruited the best football athlete, an absolute freak, and the most athletic lineman, to be his heavyweight and light-heavy wrestlers.
For some reason, I missed the first day of tryouts but the next morning I was dying to know what my two teammates thought of wrestling and how it went. I was really looking forward to after-school so I could try out as well.
What happened was…they had both quit. After 1 tryout session, they’d had enough! They said it was like training camp all over again.
For some stupid reason (peer pressure?), I let that influence me and never tried out for the team. I figured since it was too hard for them, both better athletes than I was, it’d be too hard for me. F#ck, its still one of my biggest regrets.
Anyway, I do grapple in MMA class, and it is an unbelievable workout.
I think grappling for not even 6 minutes, say 4, is one of the best tests ever for seeing if someone truly is in shape.
[quote]Sonny S wrote:
I think grappling for not even 6 minutes, say 4, is one of the best tests ever for seeing if someone truly is in shape.[/quote]
Sonny,
That’s a very good insight. Actually, most guys who think they are in shape would probably crumble with 2 or 3 minutes of hard grappling.
And…let’s not forget the greatest American Wrestler who ever lived:
Mr. Dan Gable.
From his web site:
"During his prep and college careers, Gable compiled an unbelievable record of 182-1. He was undefeated in 64 prep matches, and was 118-1 at Iowa State. His only defeat came in the NCAA finals his senior year. Gable was a three-time all-American and three-time Big Eight champion. He set NCAA records in winning and pin streaks.
After college, Gable added titles at the 1971 Pan American Games, the 1972 Tbilisi Tournament and the 1971 World Championships. He won an unprecedented six Midlands Open championships and was that meet’s outstanding wrestler five times. In 1972, he won a gold medal at the Summer Olympics without surrendering a point to any of his opponents. The Soviets came to the Olympics with only one goal in mind; to defeat Gable. They were unsuccessful.
In Gable’s final 21 Olympic qualification and Olympic matches, he scored 12 falls and outscored his nine other opponents, 130-1. The single point being scored by Larry Owings, who defeated Gable in his final collegiate match.
[quote]BALKANBOY wrote:
You got the point there,wrestlers are for sure one of the strongest athletes.For instance take Igor Karelin,olympic gold medalist.the guy is monster,275 pounds,7% bf.Russian top MMA fighters said that he is even too strong for sparring.He kicks your ass and makes leather jacket out of you.[/quote]
I don’t see how its possible to be too strong for sparring? The idea is not to hit too hard so as not to cause injury. Someone who’s strong TENDS to have some kind of control over their own muscles.
[quote]GribGrob wrote:
BALKANBOY wrote:
You got the point there,wrestlers are for sure one of the strongest athletes.For instance take Igor Karelin,olympic gold medalist.the guy is monster,275 pounds,7% bf.Russian top MMA fighters said that he is even too strong for sparring.He kicks your ass and makes leather jacket out of you.
I don’t see how its possible to be too strong for sparring? The idea is not to hit too hard so as not to cause injury. Someone who’s strong TENDS to have some kind of control over their own muscles. [/quote]
actually,fedor was asked why he didnt sparr with karelin, to which fedor replied -oh,no! he is too strong for sparring.-
would you let tyson spare with a 12 year old kid? of course not!
this guy is 275lbs. of highly trained muscle!!!
No doubt Karlein is a machine but I don’t know how he’d fare with Fedor. Rulon did okay at wrestling with Karelin and in MMA looked good but not the best. He beat Yoshida decisviely, which was impressive for sure. I just don’t know that Fedor is scared of anyone. The comment may have been taken out of context.
[quote]Scrappy wrote:
No doubt Karlein is a machine but I don’t know how he’d fare with Fedor. Rulon did okay at wrestling with Karelin and in MMA looked good but not the best. He beat Yoshida decisviely, which was impressive for sure. I just don’t know that Fedor is scared of anyone. The comment may have been taken out of context.[/quote]
That could be.
But, I think if Karlein were to train for MMA with in a very short period of time he would be very highly ranked. Perhaps even number one.
I heard Chris Bono, pictured here, speak at wrestling camp. The intensity and dedication he had was absolutely insane and you could just hear it in his voice. He said seriously, if every commercial on TV you are just sitting there and not doing anything and you don’t do a set of push-ups, someone is getting stronger and out-working you. The man looks more beastly in person but wrestles at 150ish I think.
Alexander Karelin is inspiring. But after reigning as #1 for 12 years, he wanted to quit the sport. It simply wasn’t fun anymore. However, political powers in Russia compelled him to wreslte anyway. Not to take away from anything Rulon did, but not surprisingly, that was the Olympics he lost to Rulon. He was noticably less muscular as well. I think had he stayed motivated he would still be #1 in Greco-Roman.
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
I heard Chris Bono, pictured here, speak at wrestling camp. The intensity and dedication he had was absolutely insane and you could just hear it in his voice. He said seriously, if every commercial on TV you are just sitting there and not doing anything and you don’t do a set of push-ups, someone is getting stronger and out-working you. The man looks more beastly in person but wrestles at 150ish I think.
Alexander Karelin is inspiring. But after reigning as #1 for 12 years, he wanted to quit the sport. It simply wasn’t fun anymore. However, political powers in Russia compelled him to wreslte anyway. Not to take away from anything Rulon did, but not surprisingly, that was the Olympics he lost to Rulon. He was noticably less muscular as well. I think had he stayed motivated he would still be #1 in Greco-Roman.[/quote]
Not to take anything away from Rulon, but did you watch that match? What exactly did Rulon do?
Karam Ibrahim is one of the most phenominal athletes I’ve ever seen. His Gold medal match in the 2004 Olympics is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. Here’s a link to some video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3147787588586301851&pl=true
[quote]Head_locker wrote:
Karam Ibrahim is one of the most phenominal athletes I’ve ever seen. His Gold medal match in the 2004 Olympics is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. Here’s a link to some video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3147787588586301851&pl=true[/quote]
Wow…he threw that one guy around like a sack of crap.
hey, just another question for all you wreslters out there:
What’d your coach make you do for conditioning?
I absolutley loved my coach but damn the man could be creul, just wanted to see if these we’re staples of all wrestling programs:
Log Rolls
Hell sessions (10 minutes of 30 second exercises alternating between a lot of stuff)
Russian steps
Drill mathches
Slam drills (bottom guy stands up, top returns him, repeat at fast pace)
Anything in particular your coach made you do?
[quote]Naphta wrote:
hey, just another question for all you wreslters out there:
What’d your coach make you do for conditioning?
I absolutley loved my coach but damn the man could be creul, just wanted to see if these we’re staples of all wrestling programs:
Log Rolls
Hell sessions (10 minutes of 30 second exercises alternating between a lot of stuff)
Russian steps
Drill mathches
Slam drills (bottom guy stands up, top returns him, repeat at fast pace)
Anything in particular your coach made you do?[/quote]
That’s a great question!
I remember having three hour practices. And during those three hour sessions we really never stopped moving.
One of my High School Coaches made us do wind sprints every freaking night. We would do sprints up the hall way of the school. This was after regular practice.
Let’s see what else? We used to play a game called “round robbin.” Four guys in a group. One guy in the middle each person takes the guy on for one minute. So the guy in the middle wrestles for three minutes with three fresh opponents.
He also did this on a larger scale for punishment. One guy in the middle and the entire varsity team would wrestle the guy one minute each non stop.
My College Coach would make us wrestle for 2:00 then with out stopping climb a rope, do 20 Push-ups, 20 Sit-ups and then skip rope in place for 2:00.
There were lots of crazy things they did to us…
Damn, how I wish I would’ve known about wrestling when I was coming through high school. All I thought about was football and basketball! …too bad.
Is there anywhere a guy can get into wrestling? As far as I know, it’s high school and college sport and not a whole lot of gyms devoted specifically to wrestling. I currently do jiu jitsu and would like to have some wrestling background to aid in my quest to step into the cage.
Carter there is wrestling for older folks! I think the best way is to try and find a club that allows adults, not just kids, they are hard to find…also that garber dude kicks ass! Check out this video though, as smokey would say from the movie firday, " you got knocked the F%ck out!"
[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
Same thing as with gymnasts.
There is not a specific wrestling “program”. It is a lifestyle.
This is true. Not that you should neglect training if you’re a wrestler, but the best training for wrestling is wrestling. There is no way around it.
The easiest part about wrestling practice was running for 30 minutes before practice started. Wrestling a six minute match is unbelievably tiring.
P.S. If I was training a wrestler, I would have him train the hell out of grip. Wrestling guys with a strong grip really sucks.
Bear
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I took up rock climbing for this specific reason. It has really helped my pulling strength as well. When throwing, I have no problem manipulating opponents because of I can hold onto them better and pull harder.
I also am the proud owner of many ironmind grip training products.
[quote]
Not to take anything away from Rulon, but did you watch that match? What exactly did Rulon do?[/quote]
I agree, Rulon didn’t do anything, Karelin lost a point or whatever for letting go.
Rulon hung with him is all I’m saying. Don’t get me wrong, Karelin would smash a lot of guys, it’s just I don’t think the idea that he would run through Fedor is legit. I think Fedor and most good big submission focused MMA guys would do fine with him. Minotaur also.