A judoka, Greco Roman Wrestler or a boxer/good standup fighter I would think would do better if it was just two guys no weapons nou outsiders involved. A throw on concrete ouch. However if there are weapons and outsiders the boxer has a big advantage a takedown would be dumb because you can get stabbed, you start bjj his friends come up and beat you.
Unless you’re like this brown belt that said he rnc a guy and used him as a shield from his friends,when that guy was unconscious he would move on to the next guy. I’m guessing he meant a standing rnc?
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
Hey guys, I’m pretty sure a top tennis player would smash a top volleyball player at basketball, what do you guys think?[/quote]
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
Hey guys, I’m pretty sure a top tennis player would smash a top volleyball player at basketball, what do you guys think?[/quote]
no, because the volleyball player has a higher vertical jump
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
rasturai wrote:
how about a pro boxer vs a pro muay thai fighter! thats way more interesting.
Funny you mentioned that…I was playing with the idea of Masato vs. Mayweather a couple days ago.
IN the book “A Fighters’ Heart” Andre Ward’s trainer spoke briefly about that.
He said he thought he could figure out a way to beat a MT fighter because they tend to use straight lines… as I recall he said if a boxer had the footwork he could do it.
I’m not so sure. In MT you just have more weapons available.
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That holds true for traditional MT. Masato fights in K-1 MAX…which requires plenty of boxing skills and angles to be successful. He probably is(was…he retired) the best at that…which is why he was great.
A boxer would have to worry about the wide stances and putting all weight on their front legs. They would need to have exceptional footwork and avoid too much slipping/bending at the waist. There is the clinching aspect to consider as well.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
rasturai wrote:
Mmm personally I choose the boxer.
You know in a street fight even the fight gets taken to the ground…it is somethin hard called CONCRETE.
If you happen to be on top…you don’t have to be a genius to take their head and smash it on the concrete 2-3times…even just pushing their head with BW on the concrete will hurt VERY MUCH SO.
So why would the boxer be likely to end up on top of the person who trains takedowns and takedown defence then?
Because if the boxer got a good hit on them and they fell down they could topple on top of them they could do that.
I’m just saying I don’t want people thinking boxers will be completely lost once they hit the ground…and they will AUTOMATICALLY lose.
Like I said before…when you hit the ground…its concrete lol.[/quote]
Anyone who doesn’t train grappling who falls on top of me will be underneath me before the end of the fall.
A non grappler just doesn’t have the concept of balance on the floor to be able to defend the sweep.
I was in a boxing club sparring the boxers, who were decent boxers 20 fights or so.
All I know is that sometimes I just felt like I could clinch the shit out of them, or really throw some good elbows in.
Not to mention head kicks when the hands go a bit low.
Aside from that though, boxers are the shit lol.
A Muay Thai fighter vs. a Boxer.
It’s true that muay thai fighters fight in straight lines…very direct with their offence…but not all muay thai fighters…muay thai fighter who knows how to cut, circle…deadly.
I know Mercer was retired but the guy still has moves. Funny he ko’ed Tim Sylvia…but here’s a kickboxer vs. boxer.
But here’s Remy Bonjansky vs. Ray Mercer.
Actually, from what I hear GSP would beat 'em all 'cause he’d stun 'em when he went in for the kiss and get the drop [on their trousers] on the unsuspecting victims…
GSP? Dunno. GSP has excellent hands, and that could be attributed to the fact he boxes with boxers instead of other MMA guys. Really unsure on this one, because GSP is so damn good at everything. He could definitely do some damage in boxing if that’s what he wanted to focus on, but as just a one off thing? Not so sure, GSP’s dominance comes from his ability to mix everything effectively.
As for the whole Boxing vs MT under MT rules thing? Well, I’m undecided on this as well. We’ve had a fair few Muay Thai guys come to our gym before and have smokers with us (we allowed them to throw kicks and knees, but no elbows), they all got smashed. Now it could just be that the MT guys we have around here are shithouse (very likely), but honestly I think it’s because alot of MT fighters don’t work on their hands that much or their angles. Almost all of the fights played out the same way, MT guy would get one nasty kick on the Boxer, and then the boxer would jump into the pocket and pour it on them, then jump out of the road again, and the cycle would repeat again. When they’d clinch, most of our guys just swept their feet and they’d end up on the floor and we’d reset.
MT does have alot more weapons, but personally I think working on your hands should be priority over working on your kicks.
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
Hey guys, I’m pretty sure a top tennis player would smash a top volleyball player at basketball, what do you guys think?[/quote]
[quote]ProjectX wrote:
counterfeitsoda wrote:
Hey guys, I’m pretty sure a top tennis player would smash a top volleyball player at basketball, what do you guys think?
In the case of Mayweather vs. Masato. In K1 rules, I have a hard time seeing Masato lose. He’s dismantled a lot of guys who were primarily boxers by leg kick. Probably also helped that he had some of the best hands in K1 Max. Then again, I kind of have a man crush on Masato.
As for the GSP vs boxer in a street fight argument. I feel a lot of it is based on who hits first. From what I’ve seen in bar fights, the guy who attacks first has a huge advantage. Whether that’s a take down or a 1-2 to the face, that usually sets up who’s winning the fight. If it’s a planned street fight, like West Side Story style, then the fighter with the best dance crew probably takes it.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
I know Mercer was retired but the guy still has moves. Funny he ko’ed Tim Sylvia…but here’s a kickboxer vs. boxer.
But here’s Remy Bonjansky vs. Ray Mercer.
I had never seen that fight before. I wonder how much damage that kick did, Mercer really didn’t seem dazed or anything. He looked like he was surprised.
[quote]titopuente wrote:
rasturai wrote:
I know Mercer was retired but the guy still has moves. Funny he ko’ed Tim Sylvia…but here’s a kickboxer vs. boxer.
But here’s Remy Bonjansky vs. Ray Mercer.
I had never seen that fight before. I wonder how much damage that kick did, Mercer really didn’t seem dazed or anything. He looked like he was surprised. [/quote]
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I hate questions like this…there’s too much to consider.
Are talking about Silva,GSP,Fedor just stepping in the ring as is? Of course not…they get fucked up. Silva might have some success because he’s boxed before…and trains with boxers from time to time. And like mentioned,depends on who they’re boxing.
Now,if you take these three and had them train just for boxing for a while…I wouldn’t doubt that they could smash a few boxers here and there. They’re athletic guys who pick up skills really quick. GSP has never been known for his “hands”…but I think he could adapt really fast with the right training. Fedor,I’m not so sure about…especially with him being a small HW…and awful footwork that he can get away with in MMA. gsp has probally the best hands in boxing.He hac an olympic boxing coach.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
comparing boxing and mma is like wondering if a baseball team could beat a cricket team[and vice verse] because they both hit balls with bats.[/quote]
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
comparing boxing and mma is like wondering if a baseball team could beat a cricket team[and vice verse] because they both hit balls with bats.[/quote]