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Worried About Over Stimulation


#1

I have just received my first order of Gaspari Mitotropin and am due to start taking it tomorrow morning. I normally take BSN No Explode (I know many of you aren't fans) but wonder if I should stop taking it (No Explode) while on the Mito? I am concerned re overstimulus.

Many thanks in anticipation.


#2

Unless you are topping a gram I wouldn't be too worried. Even then 1.5-2 grams might fly in my book.


#3

Jesus, It took me awhile to get used to 200mg. I'm only now, 5 months later thinking about moving to 400mg. (Pretty sure it was your posts that convinced me to try it in the first place.)

So wouldn't it depend on his tolerance? I wouldn't want to dive in at a gram.


#4

No, unless you want to puke your lungs out and feel like your heart is going to give way anytime. This is entirely due to tolerance and abuse. I OD around 2.5...maybe.


#5

Okay cool. So the whole puke/heart attack feeling is normal?

Phew...


#6

When you OD yes, but when tolerance is built up 1 gram feels like your 400mg. IMO, one should cycle any stimulants to avoid strain on the heart and CNS burnout. In reality no one does this, myself included.


#7

Sorry for raping your thread OP but...

GB, so do you take caffeine tabs or do you have a super formula?

Do you think your body weight effects tolerance, or is it mainly just use that builds it up?

I really don't want to cycle this shit. I like it, doesn't matter if I had a long day or blah blah blah, I get a good 45 mins+ of drive and focus, and if I'm fully rested and ate well, HELLO, good times. (Oh shit, does that last sentence make me a caffeine junkie?)


#8

I made my own 300mg caps. Just plain old caffeine anhydrous. I'm sure my body weight has an effect on tolerance but I was topping a gram or more when I was 205lbs. I used to have a very demanding position that required me to be awake and at full bore at 4AM so I began using heavy amounts of caffeine to keep me focused and firing on all cyclinders. I would take 300mg every 3 hours because IMO, although probably excessive, this enabled me to maintain high levels of the stimulant circulating at all times. I have to repeat though, 1-2g in the form of a single dosage and not total daily intake is blatantly excessive.


#9

Yeah, yeah, I'm still scared to try 400mg in one dose. 200 seems to be fine, but the days I have a coffee on my commute home then take one are always a good day.

So I take it you don't crash or feel groggy as hell the next morning?


#10

I crash as soon as I press pause on my Ipod and head towards me truck. I pretty much slowly wind down for the rest of the night and go to sleep with at least 600mg still circulating (given that its got a 4-6 hour half life) I would take 200mg and pound that down with a Rockstar white if you feel inclined to up the dosage. I still wake up at 4AM and I never feel groggy.


#11

I have to say, achieving "overstimulation" is something I strive for. I LOVE the feeling of all the pent up energy, when you just get all jittery, it's great.

OP I wouldn't worry about it, but I'm not exactly conservative. I took an adderall and 8 200mg caffeine pills once, just don't do that and you'll be just fine.