Don't get me wrong.. everything has its merits.. but those programs seem to have a strong focus on weight gain and I believe people tend to imagine that muscle is built a lot quicker than it really is (and I know this is heresy on these forums b/c, yes, some people can build muscle fast and should not be held back mentally - whatever, they aren't asking for questions on an internet forum most likely), but a lot of people haven't learned to channel proper intensity yet, to eat well enough (even bulking should not be an excuse to eat like a fat fuck), and end up trying to rush the whole process and, I believe, putting on unnecessary amounts of fat in an effort to push up their lifts in a panic (and there have been numerous cases on this site alone, which is why I believe questions should be asked first (height, weight, lifts - and not just on the main exercises). A great example of this is Artem - the second he mentioned his lift numbers, you knew he was just being a lard ass and, on the other hand, dicking around in the weight room and not doing shit. That's fucked up and people shouldn't have to waste so much time just b/c people are on their damn high horses and unwilling to dispense proper advice. After all, that's what this forum is for.
I really enjoy reading JayPierce's and Chris Colluci's (sp?) posts because they are custom tailored and filled with great advice.. as opposed to the commonly spouted off phrases like "eat more" and "stop bitching". I understand that, in most cases, beginners are getting maybe a fraction of the protein and not nearly as many calories as they need. I also get that they tend to overlook the basic principles behind weight lifting, but I think a lot is lost once you've been at a hobby for years and more experienced members either didn't start out nearly as confused as some of these beginners, or tend to forget how confused they were.
Shit, I lost my train of thought - nevermind..