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Women Managers = Scary!

[quote]polo77j wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:
adamhum wrote:
See, women managers are known to stab people in the eye with forks!

tootles27 wrote:
Yup, it is true. Last week I told someone that I was going to take the dirty fork that someone left in the sink once again, find out who left it there, and stab them in the eye with it. (^:

At least she pre-warned the people. We don’t do that here.

There is usually a few moments of niceness before I blow. My eyes are bulging out of my head though!!

you might want to rephrase that Tootles …[/quote]

I know, I was dreaming that work was like a bad porn movie!!

Well said, it’s all about seeing the big picture and not sweating the small stuff.

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:
I don’t know–I think there are qualified managers and unqualified managers. I have worked for both. Qualified people have their shit together and can keep on point. The unqualified people have a hard time seeing the big picture and tend to focus on small shit that they can tackle (dirty microwaves) to compensate for the lack of real accomplishment. The only thing that is different between unqualified men and unqualified women is the type of stupid shit they focus on.[/quote]

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:
The unqualified people have a hard time seeing the big picture and tend to focus on small shit that they can tackle (dirty microwaves) to compensate for the lack of real accomplishment. The only thing that is different between unqualified men and unqualified women is the type of stupid shit they focus on.[/quote]

Well, I guess I do focus on the stupid stuff because I’m not allowed to tell people they are stupid because they can’t remember how to do something correctly when they’ve been shown more than once. (^:

Based on your avatar…you look like a scary manager! It’s like you are ready to strangle someone.

:slight_smile:

[quote]tootles27 wrote:
BigJawnMize wrote:
The unqualified people have a hard time seeing the big picture and tend to focus on small shit that they can tackle (dirty microwaves) to compensate for the lack of real accomplishment. The only thing that is different between unqualified men and unqualified women is the type of stupid shit they focus on.

Well, I guess I do focus on the stupid stuff because I’m not allowed to tell people they are stupid because they can’t remember how to do something correctly when they’ve been shown more than once. (^:[/quote]

[quote]BigJawnMize wrote:
I don’t know–I think there are qualified managers and unqualified managers. I have worked for both. Qualified people have their shit together and can keep on point. The unqualified people have a hard time seeing the big picture and tend to focus on small shit that they can tackle (dirty microwaves) to compensate for the lack of real accomplishment. The only thing that is different between unqualified men and unqualified women is the type of stupid shit they focus on.[/quote]

I would agree and add to this.

Poor Male managers come in three types:

Assholes, Douche Bags, Incompetent Asses

Assholes are just retail customers with less authority. They berate, belittle and bore those in a position to do fuck-all about the abuse. Will sabotage “underlings” just to do it.

Punishment: Brick to the teeth.

Douche Bags are similar to the assholes, with the exception of expression. DBs often have a feminine method of Ass Holing. Less direct, focus more on emotional chipping-away, self-aggrandizement. Tend to be less rational than Ass Holes.

Punishment: Cock-Slap to interior of female significant other.

Incompetent Asses:

They Just Suck.

Punishment: Being stuck at the same career level for six months, then promoted to a level high enough to maintain ineffectual presence and grand-standing for decades.

Bad Female Managers come in two types:

Ball-Buster:

These women are out to bring about the female revolution, and are going to start it by dildo-fucking the 8-10 hours a day you are owned by whatever group signs your checks. See the Ass Hole Male Manager, without the rational approach, add more yelling, screaming, crying, gloating, and general emotional “thereness.”

Punishment: No Dick. EVER.

Emo:

Not of the cultural variety. This type focuses ENTIRELY on the emotional spectrum, filtering all decisions through the “does this make me look fat” aspect of the brain. Invariably, the idea thus filtered will, in fact, create the appearance of too-fatness. And that’s your fault. Yours, as well as her boyfriend/husband, boss, co-workers, the guy in the office down the hall, and the mother-fucker-ass-lick of a boss she has to deal with even though she is so much more qualified to do dick-ass-all than -

Punishment: Keep at same level for years, pay less than male counterparts [Douche Bag, Ass Hole, and Incompetent Ass], give entirely male support staff to harass to avoid obvious sex-descrimination law-suit.

Note: all types can be combined to form any manager at any level in any industry ever.

[quote]adamhum wrote:
Based on your avatar…you look like a scary manager! It’s like you are ready to strangle someone.

:slight_smile:

tootles27 wrote:
BigJawnMize wrote:
The unqualified people have a hard time seeing the big picture and tend to focus on small shit that they can tackle (dirty microwaves) to compensate for the lack of real accomplishment. The only thing that is different between unqualified men and unqualified women is the type of stupid shit they focus on.

Well, I guess I do focus on the stupid stuff because I’m not allowed to tell people they are stupid because they can’t remember how to do something correctly when they’ve been shown more than once. (^:

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Thanks!! That’s the look I was going for!!!

PS: I have a secret stash of teddy bears under my bed.

[quote]tootles27 wrote:
PS: I have a secret stash of teddy bears under my bed.[/quote]

Yeah… without HEADS!!

[quote]imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
PS: I have a secret stash of teddy bears under my bed.

Yeah… without HEADS!![/quote]

No way, I’m not that mean!! I am going to take a pic of me and my teddy bear and it will be my new avatar!!

leave an extra large bottle of pms pills on her desk and a ball gag

[quote]tootles27 wrote:

There is usually a few moments of niceness before I blow. [/quote]

That’s sweet of you but if you’re going to blow, it’s merely a formality.

The problem I have with the female managers I have worked for (except my current manager, who is awesome so far) is that they TURN on an employee. They will be nice in the beginning and super harsh out of nowhere.

Whereas when a male manager has been an asshole from day one, a female manager is not always a bitch from the beginning.

Also, I think female managers are more likely to to bully and micromanage. I had a great article about this (I think the study was done in England); I’ll post the link if I can find it.

My direct supervisor is a female who is a lesbian. She is cool because we will like be checking out the same chick. She is one of those manly looking lesbians, but she is cool as hell so i could care less.

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
My direct supervisor is a female who is a lesbian. She is cool because we will like be checking out the same chick. She is one of those manly looking lesbians, but she is cool as hell so i could care less.[/quote]

My past direct supervisor was bi-sexual, and we checked out the same chicks. She didn’t look like a man though, and she grabbed my ass once. The scary part was she was raised in a family of Indian witch doctors and she had ‘killer’ in her last name.

So female managers are not all bad, I just think that women are obviously emotional and that comes out in their work. Like my ex-manager would rip you a new one for something really insignificant and then throw you a birthday potluck the next day. Whereas a male manager would typically not give a flying fart that it was your bday, but also not bug you about little things that do not matter.

Some female managers will really hate on more attractive underlings, harping on their dress attire, etc. It is actually a career limiter being more attractive then your female manager as a female. You have to lay really low if you’re a hot female and not flaunt yourself.

I’ve had a couple of female managers that were nutty, but they busted their ass and were really detail oriented. Sure, they were a little emotional, but that was because they cared about their job…maybe a little TOO much. They were always stressed out.

On the other hand, I have a senior manager, (who i’m friends with) that doesn’t care about what’s going on in the department, until there’s a problem. Wheras, his boss (director) micro-manages to the hilt and thinks that something’s going to be missed, so he feels that he’s got to be involved in EVERYTHING. My manager hardly does shit, because his boss does it all. They’re polar opposites in their managing styles and it’s hard to deal with much of the time.

In other words, neither one is better than the other, in my experience.

Good points! I am in a similar situation with my current male manager. I think you should set peoples expectations, let them know what their responsibilities and let them succeed or fail. if they fail you straighten them out and set them up for success again.

When you micromanage, you don’t trust your people and they don’t act as responsible because they know you will be there to catch any mistakes.

  • Adam

[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’ve had a couple of female managers that were nutty, but they busted their ass and were really detail oriented. Sure, they were a little emotional, but that was because they cared about their job…maybe a little TOO much. They were always stressed out.

On the other hand, I have a senior manager, (who i’m friends with) that doesn’t care about what’s going on in the department, until there’s a problem. Wheras, his boss (director) micro-manages to the hilt and thinks that something’s going to be missed, so he feels that he’s got to be involved in EVERYTHING. My manager hardly does shit, because his boss does it all. They’re polar opposites in their managing styles and it’s hard to deal with much of the time.

In other words, neither one is better than the other, in my experience.[/quote]

[quote]adamhum wrote:
Good points! I am in a similar situation with my current male manager. I think you should set peoples expectations, let them know what their responsibilities and let them succeed or fail. if they fail you straighten them out and set them up for success again.

When you micromanage, you don’t trust your people and they don’t act as responsible because they know you will be there to catch any mistakes.

  • Adam

imhungry wrote:
I’ve had a couple of female managers that were nutty, but they busted their ass and were really detail oriented. Sure, they were a little emotional, but that was because they cared about their job…maybe a little TOO much. They were always stressed out.

On the other hand, I have a senior manager, (who i’m friends with) that doesn’t care about what’s going on in the department, until there’s a problem. Wheras, his boss (director) micro-manages to the hilt and thinks that something’s going to be missed, so he feels that he’s got to be involved in EVERYTHING. My manager hardly does shit, because his boss does it all. They’re polar opposites in their managing styles and it’s hard to deal with much of the time.

In other words, neither one is better than the other, in my experience.

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You’re right. If you’re not being allowed to ‘manage’ then how can you grow? Obviously, you can’t. The other problem is, that he will also complain that he HAS to do it all, otherwise it wouldn’t get done. Well, how the fuck would he know?? He doesn’t trust his team enough to let them and it’s stunting their growth, plus, his team starts to resent him sooner or later.

As a supervisor that’s been trying to be promoted to manager, i’ve been running into all kinds of obstacles in the past few years and I could go on forever about this subject.

If you’re doing it right you empower and then act more as a mentor then a manager. of course if your peeps are doing something that could hurt business or get you in trouble, then you have to step in and straighten it out.

Then again, all upper management seems to care about are redundant reporting and you not making them look bad.

  • adam

[quote]imhungry wrote:
adamhum wrote:
Good points! I am in a similar situation with my current male manager. I think you should set peoples expectations, let them know what their responsibilities and let them succeed or fail. if they fail you straighten them out and set them up for success again.

When you micromanage, you don’t trust your people and they don’t act as responsible because they know you will be there to catch any mistakes.

  • Adam

imhungry wrote:
I’ve had a couple of female managers that were nutty, but they busted their ass and were really detail oriented. Sure, they were a little emotional, but that was because they cared about their job…maybe a little TOO much. They were always stressed out.

On the other hand, I have a senior manager, (who i’m friends with) that doesn’t care about what’s going on in the department, until there’s a problem. Wheras, his boss (director) micro-manages to the hilt and thinks that something’s going to be missed, so he feels that he’s got to be involved in EVERYTHING. My manager hardly does shit, because his boss does it all. They’re polar opposites in their managing styles and it’s hard to deal with much of the time.

In other words, neither one is better than the other, in my experience.

You’re right. If you’re not being allowed to ‘manage’ then how can you grow? Obviously, you can’t. The other problem is, that he will also complain that he HAS to do it all, otherwise it wouldn’t get done. Well, how the fuck would he know?? He doesn’t trust his team enough to let them and it’s stunting their growth, plus, his team starts to resent him sooner or later.

As a supervisor that’s been trying to be promoted to manager, i’ve been running into all kinds of obstacles in the past few years and I could go on forever about this subject.[/quote]

i am a 3rd grade teacher, and one day our principal gave our entire 3rd grade team a day off to plan the rest of the year. this was very rare and the only group out of the 6 grades that received this. through the 7 hrs there, the other 5 girls on my team monopolized the conversation, and at the end of the 7 hrs, the key points we all go out of it was:

*the prettiest birkenstock sandals
*where and how much for your cousin to cut my hair pretty into a bob.
*best tasting salad from paradise bakery.
*a who wants to be a millionaire game board to review for tests for the kids.

longest 7 hrs of my life