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Winstrol Only Cycle

Hi there,
My first post on T-Nation, lets see how it goes.
First some background:
Bodyweight: 85 Kgs
Height: 5’11"
Age: 28
Built: Muscular (Been bodybuilding for 4-5 years, not professionally though. Just to give an idea, biceps-16.5", Chest-48")

Just finished an 8 week dianabol only cycle. Got good gains in size and strength. Started loosing some size almost the day I let go, but then I immediately started creatine and somehow its maintaining the gains.
Now, I plan to start a winstrol injectable only cycle to add on some lean muscle. Now, it would be great if someone could answer the following for me:

  1. Dianabol is liver toxic and so is Winny. So is this a good idea at all? If not, how long should I wait before starting the winstrol only cycle?
    BTW I’ve read it on steroid.com that the injectable form is far less hepatoxic than dianabol since you avoid the first pass thru the liver.

  2. How long should I do the cycle?

  3. What should be my diet during the cycle? I’ve read in many places that it should be high protein and low calorie. And what about creatine, can I continue that while on this cycle.

I know thats a lot of questions but I’ll be very grateful if someone could answer.

Thanks

[quote]champ80 wrote:
Hi there,
My first post on T-Nation, lets see how it goes.
First some background:
Bodyweight: 85 Kgs
Height: 5’11"
Age: 28
Built: Muscular (Been bodybuilding for 4-5 years, not professionally though. Just to give an idea, biceps-16.5", Chest-48")[/quote]

LMAO! Ohh my! That made me laugh! So at 85kgs and 5’11" you ARENT a Prop bodybuilder? No? Oh, ok.

[quote]
Just finished an 8 week dianabol only cycle. Got good gains in size and strength. Started loosing some size almost the day I let go, but then I immediately started creatine and somehow its maintaining the gains.[/quote]

What dose of Dianabol did you use? 8 weeks is the longest one might use this drug daily for IME/O.

Depending on you, you may want to wait longer to make sure you are totally recovered before starting again. You didnt mention a PCT from the dianabol, if this is the case you need to research the safe use of these drugs before using again.
(Time off = Cycle time on + PCT Length)

[quote]
BTW I’ve read it on steroid.com that the injectable form is far less hepatoxic than dianabol since you avoid the first pass thru the liver.[/quote]
I read steroid.com and it says that it is 17-AA, it is one of the most toxic AAS mg for mg, and it ENDURES the first pass due to the Alpha-Alkylation… IMO/AFAIK winstrol is toxic when injected as well as orally ingested.

Winstrol is not used longer than 6 weeks generally. I personally would never run it longer than 6 weeks.

Not a fucking chance - i will not spoon feed you. Get a grip on life and grow a pair.

[quote]
I know thats a lot of questions but I’ll be very grateful if someone could answer.

Thanks[/quote]

No problem. :wink:

Brook

Also - why are you choosing another toxic drug?

And why are you using, alone, one of the weakest and most useless steroids known to man (IMO).
The only benefit winny seems to have are the following:

-Track/competitive sports performance enhancement.
-Competitive quality on stage for some.

Other than that it is only a benefit as an ancillary type steroid - SHBG/Progesterone benefits.

Brook

Pretty clearly a troll job.

Too many stereotypes in one post for a first post.

Good stuff, but the trolling thing is getting old.

@Brook
Thanks for your advice buddy. I guess I’ll atleast wait another 8 weeks before the winny cycle.
As for ‘why I’m taking another toxic drug?’. Well, I’ve very few resources to learn from. I’ve googled a lot and every other person has a different opinion. I came here hoping to get advice from someone whose tried the real deal and knows his roids.

@Westclock
Well, believe it or not, I’m not a troll. These were genuine questions, I’ve just purchased a lot of winny and used up a sizeable chunk of my salary. But before I end up spending a bigger amount on my liver I thought it would be best if I could get some expert advice here. Someone on facebook told me about this site

Facebook?? Whatever, they were right. There is a lot of great info here but it sounds like you need to learn some basics. Read the sticky threads at the top of this forum to get yourself started. Hold off on your winnie until you recover and can afford something to pair it with. Learn about PCT first (hint: it’s NOT creatine!).

Post back when you have some specific questions that can’t be answered with a two minute search. Good studying!

wheres that damn picture of the star trek lookin guy holdin his head in shame lol

brooks your hilarious lol.

[quote] Brook wrote:
Also - why are you choosing another toxic drug?

And why are you using, alone, one of the weakest and most useless steroids known to man (IMO).
The only benefit winny seems to have are the following:

-Track/competitive sports performance enhancement.
-Competitive quality on stage for some.

Other than that it is only a benefit as an ancillary type steroid - SHBG/Progesterone benefits.

Brook[/quote]

Isn’t it a good stack with anadrol if you want to do a short oral-only cycle?

As i said, it is useful as an ancillary for progesterone sides.

Brook

you should listen to brook and have your pct and time off as he told you then you can talk about another cycle!!

but please realy do your research for pct and how it varys from cycle to cycle it is a great waste of time and money not having a pct

[quote]Game_over wrote:
wheres that damn picture of the star trek lookin guy holdin his head in shame lol[/quote]