Winstrol and Gyno

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
Dylanj - how am i kicking people to the kirb when all im asking is for assitence…i obviosuly know you guys are not condoning me to use AAS…its up to the individual at the end of the day…and its a decision i make…its my body…and if im going to do it, im ganna do it right…thats why im here on this forum.

You guys are worthless…

[/quote]

that comment is you are kicking us to the curb.

and you want to do it right? you arent doing it right thats what we are telling you. give us the information to help you decide if its right, becuase with what youve said so far, you seem like every other 16 yr old that has been lifting for 3 months.

[quote]
This is not assistence…assistence would be advicing why im too young…not just give someone some smart ass comment like that…i think that becuase im 21 now…im not ganna grow any taller (growth plates) - i havent for the past 2 years - ive been lifting for 3 years…so ive made the decision to go ahead with it…

i know there might still be alot more growth in me naturally - but even after i do a cycle - itll be a long time before i even consider another one again - so thereafter my cycle i will still train and eat like i would be on cycle - [/quote]

you are too young becuase you lack mental maturity and the mechanics behind AAS to use it properly.
you may think you are done growing, but how do you know?
and that statement proves just how much you know, fusion of the growth plates is a SIDE EFFECT, may or may not happen, so just becuase you think you are done growing is no reason to start gear.

your not done growing naturally you say? then why would you throw that away? you have plenty more growing to do, mind and body.
now you can negate all of this criticism by telling us your stats and your full cycle, and some leg shots wouldnt hurt either. otherwise, i am with makk on this. “I hope you DO get gyno”

I would not use winny myself as the effect on cholesterol it has on some people.

I would go for masteron or an inject, over an oral.

from what I read winny and things like anavar can play with your cholesterol.

thats all I can say for you Moe my friend :slight_smile:

and if you do decide to use oral take a load of fish oil, naicin, and this stuff called poliscolan or something like that.

all the best :slight_smile:

your not done growing naturally you say? then why would you throw that away?

How am i throwing it away? even if i do a cycle…after cycle i will still train and diet like i would be on cycle…and still grow.

And if i do get gyno…ill just get surgery…simple…but ill do as much as i can to avoid it lol.

stats - 5.4 foot - 154.3 Lbs - 11.5 % body fat.

ill take some before and after pics…

1-12 week
500mg a week Test enanthate

1-12 week
500mg a week Test enanthate

9-12 week
50mg a day of winny

13 - 15 week
150mg a day clomid

16 - 17 week
50mg/day clomid

18 - 22 week
40mg/day nolva

will also be running milk thristle and fish oil throughout cycle.

i will front load it before starting the cycle aswell…

Hey guyz…im thinking of making a switch from Winstrol to :

Furazabol (formerly sold under the trade name Miotolan)

Perhaps a tad more potent than Stanozolol.

It is not estrogenic in anyway.

Its lack of estrogenic action and low androgenic binding make it have fairly little influence on the body’s own testosterone production.

There is no need for anti-estrogens or blood pressure medication during the cycle.

It is supposed to build muscle, improve cholesterol, and increase the potency of other steroids at the same time.

It is only mildly androgenic, and as a result is much less likely to produce or aggravate side effects like acne, body/facial hair growth, prostate enlargement, or male pattern hair loss (when taken in reasonable doses).

Anyone used this before?

Its a designer…i have heard of it…its actually about as exact as winnie…you will need a decent dose of it tho. Also…you will want to wait two weeks after your last shot to run pct…dont do it the week after…

[quote]facko wrote:
Its a designer…i have heard of it…its actually about as exact as winnie…you will need a decent dose of it tho. Also…you will want to wait two weeks after your last shot to run pct…dont do it the week after…[/quote]

200mg = 50mg Winstrol

you guys are killing me here…

he’s talking about Furazabol, i.e. Miotolan, just like he said. not the damn designed pro-steroid Furazadrol (which would equate to 200mg to 50 mg Winny).

profile for Mitolan:

Furazabol reminds us of Stanozolol (Winstrol) strucrurally. Its similar in appearance in that it’s a DHT molecule with a 17-alpha-methyl group for oral availability, and has no 3-keto group, needed for androgenic binding. But instead of a 2,3-pyrazol group, furazabol has a 2,3-furazan group. The difference may not be all that big, both groups contain 2 nitrogen atoms and 2 double bonds and both are present instead of the 3-keto group.

The advantage is that its not readily deactivated and therefore whatever influences it has, they are consistent. The downside is that the lack of a 3-keto group, which will impair its overall androgenic potency. So in that aspect again comparable to stanozolol.

Anabolics 2002, without a doubt the best reference guide for steroids in print, lists Furazabol as extremely androgenic however, which is no doubt just an oversight. In nearly every way the behaviour of furazabol would be identical to that of Stanozolol.

It’s an obscure steroid, that’s the least we can say. Its only manufactured in Japan and in tabs of 1 mg. Low availability makes the cost of this steroid rather high, and its not particularly easy to find. Perhaps a tad more potent than Stanozolol, the doses used lay in the same neighbourhood, 20-50 mg/day. The higher doses being the preference.

The demand for it isn’t very high either, because Winstrol/Stromba is a popular and cheap to come by. The only benefit of its obscurity is that noone will invest in faking it. So if you do come across Furazabol, you have pretty good odds that the stuff is legit.

Now, the literature does not make a whole lot of mention of furazabol, but from what I was able to find1, it supports the weak nature of the steroid. In one case it was found that furazabol was a good treatment for hyperlipemia, and this without affecting proteinuria (the prevention of excretion of amino acids, where one would expect a steroid to increase proteinuria and not effect hyperlipemia).

The low androgen binding may explain the lack of effect it had on proteinuria. The doses used were considerably high though, at least for furazabol. 1.1 mg/kg/day. That means a 200 lb bodybuilder would be using around 90-100 mg/day

Furazabol can be considered a relatively light steroid therefore. It is not estrogenic in anyway, on account of its dihydro structure and its lack of estrogenic action and low androgenic binding make it have fairly little influence on the body’s own testosterone production. Much like Winstrol (stanozolol) and Anavar (oxandrolone).

In the long run suppression will occur of course, but because it occurs much slower a user will suffer less from testicular atrophy and therefore bounce back easier when a cycle is concluded. There is a slim chance of androgenic risk, as with Winstrol, but its not frequent or severe. So acne, increased body and facial hair and even an aggravation of male pattern hair loss can occur, but it’s a lot less likely than with more androgenic specimen.

Use:

Furazabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid, and therefore has a level of hepatoxicity. In the interest of protecting your liver, you should not extend use beyond 6-8 weeks maximum. It’s a mild steroid with no estrogenic activity, so logically its best used when cutting in stacks with Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) or Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) and the needed fat-burners of course.

Unlike most steroids, this drug has a relatively short half-life2 however. It compensates with quite long activity (15-33% excretion of unchanged metabolites after 24 hours) so a single dose should be enough to get you through the day. But on account of the low half-life time, you may want to consider splitting doses in two each day.

Because it doesn’t aromatize and doesn’t have a strong androgenic component, the use of ancillary drugs is limited. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex after a cycle is certainly advised, though the merit may be rather limited. There is no need for anti-estrogens or blood pressure medication during the cycle.

yep thats the one mate - i think running that instead of winny could certainly achive a better blood work report after cycle rather then running the winny.

i hope you guys can help with this question - any advice would be fantastic - lets say im doing 50mg of inj winstrol(stanazol) over the cource of the last 4 weeks stacked with the test - how many mls of 50mg for 4 weeks be?

thanks.

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
1-12 week
500mg a week Test enanthate

9-12 week
50mg a day of winny

13 - 15 week
150mg a day clomid

16 - 17 week
50mg/day clomid

18 - 22 week
40mg/day nolva[/quote]

There are a few reasons why that your proposed PCT is poorly planned.

With regards to your most recent question about how many ml of winstrol you will need… It would depend on what the concentration of the solution is.

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
1-12 week
500mg a week Test enanthate

9-12 week
50mg a day of winny

13 - 15 week
150mg a day clomid

16 - 17 week
50mg/day clomid

18 - 22 week
40mg/day nolva[/quote]

There are a few reasons why that your proposed PCT is poorly planned.

With regards to your most recent question about how many ml of winstrol you will need… It would depend on what the concentration of the solution is.

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
yep thats the one mate - i think running that instead of winny could certainly achive a better blood work report after cycle rather then running the winny.

i hope you guys can help with this question - any advice would be fantastic - lets say im doing 50mg of inj winstrol(stanazol) over the cource of the last 4 weeks stacked with the test - how many mls of 50mg for 4 weeks be?

thanks.[/quote]

Your planned out PCT is horrible and again you have another question that shows your lack of general knowledge of AAS.

I really dont think so. I am very prone to gyno but never had a problem w/ winstorl even on 1cc ed. I think u’ll be fine. The one problem I did have was hairloss from winy. But it was contollable with proscar.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
you guys are killing me here…

he’s talking about Furazabol, i.e. Miotolan, just like he said. not the damn designed pro-steroid Furazadrol (which would equate to 200mg to 50 mg Winny).[/quote]

Whoops. My bad. I need more sleep.

so if i tell u guys what brand it is…you guyz would be able to tell me how many ml i need to order?

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
so if i tell u guys what brand it is…you guyz would be able to tell me how many ml i need to order?[/quote]

If you know what brand it is why can’t you find out for yourself?

Are you sure you are really ready to mess around with all of this stuff?

this is turning into a troll job

[quote]Moe_1 wrote:
yep thats the one mate - i think running that instead of winny could certainly achive a better blood work report after cycle rather then running the winny.

i hope you guys can help with this question - any advice would be fantastic - lets say im doing 50mg of inj winstrol(stanazol) over the cource of the last 4 weeks stacked with the test - how many mls of 50mg for 4 weeks be?

thanks.[/quote]

I’ve never used AAS before and probably never will, but I have a respect for what they do and have no problem with people who use them. Here’s something you should take into account:

“According to William Llewellyn, author of Anabolics 2007, the cholesterol-lowering effects of Furazabol are a myth. In the 1970s, research studies showed that Furazabol along with many other orally-active AAS like Anavar (oxandrolone) lowered total serum cholesterol. It was subsequently established that the cholesterol reduction from oral AAS was the result of suppressed HDL levels. As such, it would be expected that Furazabol, like other oral anabolic steroids, while reducing total cholesterol levels would still adversely affect the HDL/LDL ratio and increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.”

In therapeutic doses, it has the potential to positively affect your cholesterol, but a cycle for muscle gain exceeds those limits.

Whatever you decide, get blood work ups regularly before, during, and after the cycle. A few guys in my gym took Winstrol tablets with no adverse affects on their LDL or liver enzyme count, but they went lower on the dosage. Best of luck.