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Winny and Zaditen


#1

hi there,
just wondering what you thought about this novice, beginner,starter. cutting cycle I have a35% body fat

1) 1 week 20 mg nolvadex (just in case)
2)then a 6 week cycle of 10 mg winny tabs, 0.02mg clen and 1 mg zaditen.

is that ok for a beginner, if not please advice, because i read so many different things on the web.

thanx dutchy


#2

read more.


#3

Before I jumped into AAS I'd do a cycle of chicken breasts and oatmeal if i was 36%bf.


#4

Why the hell are you doing a stack like this if you are just a beginner??? Take a good look at your training regime and nutrition before you go down this route. Get your bodyfat as low as possible naturally before you do this.


#5

Yeah....you probably (read: definately) need to research a bit more (meaning: a lot more).

But thats no big deal. I'll be honest, internet steroid discussion forums are rife with bad advice and unresearched or ill-researched advice.

A good, basic site for just steroid-based profiles and information (it's not a message board and isn't selling anything) is steroidsprofiles.com . It's a very good start to learn from.


#6

Read Cy's "Steroids For Dummies" which will give you a good background before you start hitting the scientific journals.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459513


#7

dude at 35% bf you don't need AAS. You need a treadmill and a meal plan.


#8

I reckon that the best cycle that you could do at the moment is probably a relatively unknown 'roid called Casein. It can be pretty difficult to get hold of but if you go into most grocery stores there will be a guy that you can ask for 'cottage cheese', give him a little wink as you ask for it and he will sort you out with the gear that you are looking for.


#9

1 you dont need the nolva as winny wont convert to estrogen.
2 clen needs to be cycled for best results
3 read loads more about this before you begin (like about the next 2 years)
4 honest mate I know your in a rush but diet is number 1 carb control and walking will do the trick.
walk about 3 to 5 miles each morning the fat will melt.
Search this site for a good 3day full body routine using compounds and you will build muscle to help burn the fat.
I lost 42lb fat in 3 months.
Hope this helps.
watch the winny orals for liver tox take milk thistle and liv52


#10

tnanx mate,

maybe i went a little too fast on odering all this especialy dbol and winny.

But I do 45/50 mins cardio on stationnay bike evey morning(loose about 300kcal.
I take 5 meals a day no pasta no rice no potatoes).Two high protein shakes a day, one after cardio in the morning and one at 4/5 o'clock in the afternoon.
every other day I lift weights at home cause i don't have the time to go to the gym.

I'm 185 cm (6,7 feet) tall and weigh 90 kilograms (185lbs).My muscles are flask and I have a 37 body fat%.
I have a beer/whiskey/hamburger belly, although I started dieting as I said earlier (veggies and proteins)but it takes too long to sculpt my body.

So ok I should forget about the winny and Dbol, but dont you think a clen cycle for a couple of weeks would help a little?


#11

yes but what about growing faster


#12

Clen wil help to reduce my bodyfat, I'm sales representative which means that my ass is in the car sitting doing nothing for at least 4/5 hours so what if i want quicker results, I just need a kickstart and then I'll maintain, but I'm decided on using clen for sure and afterwards to grow I'll read up some more but I will use.
Dutchy