Considering my two week opinion of the benefit of a complete Surge supplementation approach, I have relied on Metabolic Drive as a post workout protein 30 minutes after finishing the last of the Surge following my workout. I wonder if there is much that Mag-10 could add, even if it were to complement Surge.
Right now, It would be difficult to sell me on Mag-10, even at the old price.
That price is indeed too high, even for me!
I would much rather have the casein hydrolysate slated for Plazma than Mag-10 at this time.
Please don’t stop production of Plazma. It’s WAY better still than SWF that is being promoted right now in my humblest of opinions (and experience).
I’m glad you’re such a staunch Plazma supporter. I am too. But I formulated both and have used each more than anyone, and I do not agree. As a pre/intra-workout supplement, Surge Workout Fuel beats Plazma.
If the new Surge Workout Fuel beats Plazma as a pre/intra workout supplement, is there even a justifiable reason to keep Plazma around since it costs 70% more than Surge? Is there something that Plazma does better than Surge?
While a price tag of $150 puts Mag-10 out of my price range, I would request that Biotest consider the possibility of bringing Mag-10 back if/when raw material & shipping costs drop and supply chain issues alleviate. I’m hoping we see things return back to normal sooner than later.
At $64.99 it’s 70% more expensive than the T-loyal price of $37.50 and no offense but you didn’t formulate the product or have a hand in research and development of the product so your comment that ‘Plazma isn’t better than Surge’ doesn’t hold any weight
You’re right – I used the published list price for Surge, not the discounted price. I’ve used both products and I paid for both. I was actually hoping I wouldn’t notice a difference. The Surge is cheaper and there’s no mucking around with liquid flavoring so its more convenient for travel purposes, which I do a good bit of. Sadly for my wallet and convenience I notice enough of a difference with the Plazma that I’ll continue to pay extra for it so long as Biotest makes it. So, you might not give my opinion as much weight as Tim’s but I am drawing on my personal experience with both products, neither of which was given to me for free.
Good to know that you see better results with Plazma. I’m curious if other users will feel the same as time goes on. I just started using Surge so I can’t yet comment on its effectiveness when compared to Plazma.
I was just curious as to how someone involved in the formulation of the products would describe the differences between the products. It was my understanding that originally, Surge was geared more towards endurance athletes and Plazma towards bodybuilders/strength athletes.
I would still consider using Plazma at $65 if it provides superior results
Up thread there’s another user who seems to feel similar to the way I do. Whether Plazma vs. Surge Workout Fuel would really matter in the long run for me, I don’t know. Sometimes I think the whole intra workout supplementation thing is majoring in the minors – and I say that as someone who has used intra workout drinks religiously since 2002 or thereabouts. But then I see a guy like John Berardi, who has no present agenda or affiliation with any supplement company so far as I know, still using a workout drink and think it makes sense to do so. And, if I’m going to use one, I might as well use the one that seems to work best for me since I’m privileged enough that the price difference is immaterial for me.
Considering that I am an 73 year old lifter fighting sarcopenia (muscle wasting), I may not be the best source.
As far as a pre- and intra-workout supplement goes, nothing comes close to how the training feels than Surge Workout Fuel.
At this time I have a bag and a half of Plazma that is barely getting used. Occasionally, I use it as a post-workout supplement, but most times I use Metabolic Drive because it has greater protein content. I mixed the two once.