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Will Records Get Broken in London?

Olympics about to start i had to look up australia’s best chance, poor bugger is ranked 20th in the world and is the commonwealth games gold medalist. If there were no Iranians, Arminians, russians he would be alot closer to the medals. I was suprised to see the top ranked American at 25.

Going to compare Damon Kelly, australia’s number 1 PR with world records

Snatch WR is 214kg in 2011, Damon 171kg
Clean and jerk 263kg in 2004, Damon 218kg
Total 472kg in 2000, Damon 390kg

No pressure Damo, C’mon!!

Do we thing these records will be broken?
The number one ranked heavy weight from Iran is only 23 y/o, wow! and to think he has a few years left in him??? His PR total is 451kg.

His legs are abit skinny though, yeah right. http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://liftup.chidlovski.net/liftup/images/i_athletes/b991.jpg&imgrefurl=http://liftup.chidlovski.net/liftup/l_athleteResult.asp?a_id%3D991&h=300&w=400&sz=21&tbnid=oeVSEw6sZsKamM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSALIMIKORDASIABI%2BBehdad%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=SALIMIKORDASIABI+Behdad&usg=__ZAEwuJMpR796ranyrdinxpfpbBA=&docid=UYAebJ7iqYh5hM&sa=X&ei=9DgPUIGIA5CbmQXKwoC4BQ&ved=0CE8Q9QEwAA&dur=377

Damon Kelly only a little guy too??
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=damon+kelly+weightlifting&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&biw=1440&bih=756&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsuo&tbnid=gKIDgtoTz3-XTM:&imgrefurl=http://pumpumschlanger.tumblr.com/post/3687215121&docid=dxAam1PB4DjfcM&imgurl=http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhnnjgeI2n1qzkwnwo1_500.jpg&w=500&h=402&ei=rzkPUNXwNq_umAWFzIBI&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=286&vpy=7&dur=1291&hovh=201&hovw=250&tx=159&ty=111&sig=109661665982875463318&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=164&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:98

Fixed.

[quote]TheApprentice wrote:

Fixed.[/quote]

Nice.

As for heavyweight records falling in London, if Salimi is healthy he has a shot at breaking the (current) snatch record. I think the clean and jerk record is out of his reach at the moment, but if he’s really on point he might have a shot at the total.

Any idea of what these guys squat and deadlift and a strict shoulder press.

[quote]Danny880 wrote:
Any idea of what these guys squat and deadlift and a strict shoulder press.[/quote]

I’m not sure if I should answer with “more than they need to” or “they don’t really care so why should we?”

But I’ll humour you. Off the top of my head (so forgive me if the numbers are off) I think I’ve seen video of Reza Zadeh (Iran, super, currently holds CnJ and total WRs) front squat 280x2 and back squat 305x2 in a smooth and fast fashion, I’ve seen Chigishev (Russia, super, Beijing silver medallist with 210/250) bench 225 fairly easily, I’ve seen Berestov (Russia, 105, 2004 Olympic gold with 195/230) do a strict press with 150, I’ve seen Klokov (Russia, 105, Beijing silver medallist with 193/230) do a clean and strict press with I believe 157 . . . think that’s all I have off the top of my head.

I know they dont aim for max squats, many aiming for something heavier then their c&j. I have read one should front sq a triple for whatever they hope to c&j. I just find it interesting to compare their strength to other athletes, powerlifter, strongman etc even though styles are different. It amazes me seeing oly lifters squating 250-300kg off open squat rack and no spotters etc and seeing them go so low and they seem to have alot left in them. I wish i had that easy power, lol.

There is a recent clip of Salimi squatting 350kg, just google up “salimi 350kg squat”.

You can read Bud Charniga’s report from the 2012 Asian Championships (http://sportivnypress.com/documents/56.html), he notes that Salimi’s problem is that he is just too big and it is hard for him to fit under the bar. :slight_smile:

I get the impression that people think that a big back squat isnt that important, then they quote some lifter who has like a 280 back squat but ‘‘only’’ a 190kg cnj. Then I always feel like saying oh so you have a 190kg do you.

Obviously there comes a point where its enough but I’m pretty sure no one on the internet needs to worry about that.

Supers are probably pressing around 160-180, the best of the best atleast.

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
I get the impression that people think that a big back squat isnt that important, then they quote some lifter who has like a 280 back squat but ‘‘only’’ a 190kg cnj. Then I always feel like saying oh so you have a 190kg do you.

Obviously there comes a point where its enough but I’m pretty sure no one on the internet needs to worry about that. [/quote]

In my opinion, the squats (both front and back) are assistance exercises and are only as important as the effect they have on your lifts. You add 20kg to your back squat but your snatch/clean and jerk don’t move, what have you gained? Did you actually get stronger or did you just get better at squatting? It has to translate to your lifts otherwise it’s not worth much.

For most of us on the internet the above generally just refers to how you’re squatting and the mentality you take to squatting, because as you said none of us are at the point where we’re too strong.

[quote]TheJonty wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
I get the impression that people think that a big back squat isnt that important, then they quote some lifter who has like a 280 back squat but ‘‘only’’ a 190kg cnj. Then I always feel like saying oh so you have a 190kg do you.

Obviously there comes a point where its enough but I’m pretty sure no one on the internet needs to worry about that. [/quote]

In my opinion, the squats (both front and back) are assistance exercises and are only as important as the effect they have on your lifts. You add 20kg to your back squat but your snatch/clean and jerk don’t move, what have you gained? Did you actually get stronger or did you just get better at squatting? It has to translate to your lifts otherwise it’s not worth much.

For most of us on the internet the above generally just refers to how you’re squatting and the mentality you take to squatting, because as you said none of us are at the point where we’re too strong.[/quote]

I totally agree that they are both just assistance exercises but almost everyone would benefit from bigger squats. While being developed with the lifting of course.

Also, I was including myself in the never be too strong people.

I remember reading an interview with Leonid Taranenko I believe. He said once he back squatted 380kg with a pause at the bottom he stopped squatting.

I heard Salimi did 261 in training but I doubt he’ll break any world records, except maybe the Snatch.
In the 105s and 94s I think the Snatch and Clean and Jerk records respectively could be broken.
Maybe the 211 C&J in the 77s as well. Who knows.

[quote]JT91 wrote:
I remember reading an interview with Leonid Taranenko I believe. He said once he back squatted 380kg with a pause at the bottom he stopped squatting.

I heard Salimi did 261 in training but I doubt he’ll break any world records, except maybe the Snatch.
In the 105s and 94s I think the Snatch and Clean and Jerk records respectively could be broken.
Maybe the 211 C&J in the 77s as well. Who knows.[/quote]

teranenko never stopped back squatting. he stopped FRONT squatting because of the heavy load on the chest once he was able to front squat 300 for a triple with a 3 second pause.

http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv005.html

My mistake. I misremembered. You are absolutely right. Here he says he stopped because he didn’t need to do more to recover from a clean.

Anyone know of a live stream anywhere that is covering the weightlifting? One that i dont have to pay for preferably.

[quote]JT91 wrote:
http://www.dynamic-eleiko.com/sportivny/library/news/nv005.html

My mistake. I misremembered. You are absolutely right. Here he says he stopped because he didn’t need to do more to recover from a clean.[/quote]

dont worry about it. I have a freakish memory for Weightlifting. Shame it doesnt carry over to much else :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]jacob-1310 wrote:
Anyone know of a live stream anywhere that is covering the weightlifting? One that i dont have to pay for preferably. [/quote]

That should have you covered.