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Will Anyone Squat and DL 1000 Raw?

Me and a friend of mine were talking about our lifting progress and goals for the short and long term. Then went off topic about the greatest strength athletes of all time and we thought what would it take to be the best powerlifter ever, hands down, no contest. I was watching videos lately of some incredible lifts of Robert Wilkerson and Benedikt Magnusson. Rob squatting 1000 raw and Benedikt deadlifting 1015 raw. I thought what if someone deadlifted 1000 raw and squatted 1000 raw, do you think they would be the best lifter of all time?

That sounds just freakish but it seems like athletes have been getting stronger recently. There isn’t exactly a limit to what somebody can do, but do you think we would see someone break 1000 in both of those lifts raw? Just a thought lol

Anything is possible, but optimal leveraging for the squat and deadlift are different, which is why only a few powerlifters in history have been capable of averaging even 900 lbs. between the two lifts. Though he has an enormous squat, Wilkerson’s only a mid-600s puller. Yes, there are guys like Magnusson, Koklaev, Malanichev, and Petras who could conceivably go 900/900 in a single meet, but 1000/1000 is a long way away.

Yeah I was surprised when I saw Rob’s deadlift in the 600s, either way both of them are incredibly strong. But it would really be something to see someone get 1000 in both

Dude, if someone had a 1500 raw bench, 1500 raw squat and 1500 raw deadlift, they would be INSANE!

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Dude, if someone had a 1500 raw bench, 1500 raw squat and 1500 raw deadlift, they would be INSANE![/quote]
haha doubt we’ll see that, it would look bad ass though

I don’t think it will be that long, there are some strong as hell raw lifters coming up at the moment

I don’t think it will ever happen. How many people have actually done 900/900 in a meet? Even in multiply, 900/900 is very rare – I can only think of 2 people off the top of my head who have ever done it.

well lets see.
garry frank has done 1000+ and low 9’s in the same meet
eric lilliebridge is closing on 900squat and has pulled 850.
Malanichev did something like 993 and 881 I think. has deadlifted 410kg, keeps missing 417.5-420

the other question is how long till dave hoff does 1000+ squat and bench in the same meet?

[quote]HERC410 wrote:
the other question is how long till dave hoff does 1000+ squat and bench in the same meet?
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About 2 weeks.

you should do it

[quote]frankjl wrote:

[quote]HERC410 wrote:
the other question is how long till dave hoff does 1000+ squat and bench in the same meet?
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About 2 weeks.[/quote]

I always thought that would be something Mr Donnie Thompson would do, I can’t wait to see if Hoff does it.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
you should do it[/quote]

too much work

It’s exciting to think how strong people will get in the next few decades. I’m just trying to think of it like the 100m race. A few decades ago people were wondering if it’s possible to run sub 10s. And then just not too long ago people were wondering about sub 9.5s.

I would think within 20-30 years it would happen but of course that is just a guess

Depends on how good the new drugs will be. My guess is 10 years or less.

I did it in the meet i held in my basement. Forgot to film it though.

I’m skeptical this will happen since the OP was talking about raw and not geared lifting.

Where should the “progress” come from? Better drugs than the current everything-goes-steroid use? Hard to believe. Better suits? Nope, since it’s raw. Better training methods? Nope.

I think all we can hope for is that some exceptional talent on the level of Ed Coan comes along. There are some promising candidates if they keep pushing and don’t get injured. Eric Lilliebridge comes to mind.

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I think all we can hope for is that some exceptional talent on the level of Ed Coan comes along. There are some promising candidates if they keep pushing and don’t get injured. Eric Lilliebridge comes to mind. [/quote]
Basically what has to happen is a heavier Ed Coan has to come along. Maybe it’ll be Lilliebridge, maybe not, who knows. But yeah that’s the only way. I think it will happen one day though. Someone will come along like Eddie except they’ll be a few inches taller and compete in the heavier classes.

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I’m skeptical this will happen since the OP was talking about raw and not geared lifting.

Where should the “progress” come from? Better drugs than the current everything-goes-steroid use? Hard to believe. Better suits? Nope, since it’s raw. Better training methods? Nope.

I think all we can hope for is that some exceptional talent on the level of Ed Coan comes along. There are some promising candidates if they keep pushing and don’t get injured. Eric Lilliebridge comes to mind. [/quote]
Soooo, we have reached the end of technology in drug production and cant possibly find different or better training methods???

[quote]americaninsweden wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I’m skeptical this will happen since the OP was talking about raw and not geared lifting.

Where should the “progress” come from? Better drugs than the current everything-goes-steroid use? Hard to believe. Better suits? Nope, since it’s raw. Better training methods? Nope.

I think all we can hope for is that some exceptional talent on the level of Ed Coan comes along. There are some promising candidates if they keep pushing and don’t get injured. Eric Lilliebridge comes to mind. [/quote]
Soooo, we have reached the end of technology in drug production and cant possibly find different or better training methods???[/quote]
James Henderson benched 711lbs 16 years ago. If he’d had some better competition maybe he’d have done more. The record today is only barely higher.

Ed Coan’s best single ply lifts are a 1019 squat and 901 dead. Keep in mind single ply back then was nothing compared to even single ply these days. These were done nearly 30 years ago.

Back in the 80’s Kaz used to do 900lb squats in training for triples. His best competition bench was 661lbs raw which only the smallest handful of people today could match.

John Kuc squatted 905 raw in competition fucking 41 years ago.

We really haven’t come that far in terms of strength since the 70’s and 80’s. You could say that strongman has come a long ways, but as far as the three powerlifts, I mean in 30+ years people have had to fight tooth and nail for every extra pound on a world record. So I’m not sure how much better you think drugs or training is going to get. The human body can only do so much, and if the last 30 or 40 years are any indicator, we’ve been at the threshold of the limits of human strength for quite some time now.