[quote]therajraj wrote:
Dietary supplements even the ones for health have a noticeable effect on your hormone levels. Pretty sure curcumin, fish oil, zinc, vitamin D all boost T. [/quote]
A deadlift PR may cause a greater increase in test levels than the supplements you mentioned[…]
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I can’t cite studies or anything, but I’m pretty sure that that’s a false statement.
But it’s not because they “increase test levels”, but rather that most people/athletes/lifters have insufficient levels of omega 3s, vitamin d and zinc… so by supplementing them back to “normal” levels, T production is restored. (I don’t know anything about curcumin.)
In other words: if your T levels are artificially low due to deficiencies/insufficiencies, supplementation will help more than deadlifts.[/quote]
You are over-analyzing man. I just meant it is too negligible to be considered.
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Funny you say that… while also saying this:
[quote]kalb wrote:
Multivitamins to boost my immunity and overall health to minimize the risk of illness that may take me off the gym for some time. [/quote]
I think somewhere between 5-7% of the lifters actively pursuing a decent physique are not capable of making much progress without drugs (sometimes close to none).
All the estrogen exposure - plastics, pollutants, estrogen drinking water, locked into long periods at work at an office job… some simply cannot overcome it naturally.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
It is a mildly arrogant one though.
I’m 31 been training 15 years and I’m still getting better.[/quote]
I don’t see how it’s arrogant. I would consider most/all of my own gains in my first 2 years of lifting to have been ‘beginner’ gains. Nothing wrong with that. I don’t necessarily see that there’s a particular point when gains go from being ‘beginner’ gains to ‘advanced’ gains. Hell, 10 years from now I may look at my current gains as being beginner gains, lol.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
Has it been your experience that newbie gains last for two years? I would say that’d be more the exception than the rule, especially for a guy in his 40s.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
It is a mildly arrogant one though.
I’m 31 been training 15 years and I’m still getting better.[/quote]
I don’t see how it’s arrogant. I would consider most/all of my own gains in my first 2 years of lifting to have been ‘beginner’ gains. Nothing wrong with that. I don’t necessarily see that there’s a particular point when gains go from being ‘beginner’ gains to ‘advanced’ gains. Hell, 10 years from now I may look at my current gains as being beginner gains, lol.[/quote]
But there’s a generally accepted definition of beginner gains, which is the period where you continually make gains in a linear fashion. And that seemed to be the implication of ryanbCXG’s comment, that the poster’s gains weren’t due to his skill with programming and nutrition, but rather due to his beginner status. Perhaps I read too much into it.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
Has it been your experience that newbie gains last for two years? I would say that’d be more the exception than the rule, especially for a guy in his 40s.
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I think it depends on how much effort the individual puts forth. I know that gains came easily for me in my first 2+ years of training, so yes, that’s been my own experience. Conversely, I’ve had friends who couldn’t seem to make gains after they’d be lifting for a few months. Age is obviously a factor, but so are effort and starting point. Some people are more ‘primed’ for gains than others. That’s why I said it’s not unreasonable. Too many factors to rule it out.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
It is a mildly arrogant one though.
I’m 31 been training 15 years and I’m still getting better.[/quote]
I don’t see how it’s arrogant. I would consider most/all of my own gains in my first 2 years of lifting to have been ‘beginner’ gains. Nothing wrong with that. I don’t necessarily see that there’s a particular point when gains go from being ‘beginner’ gains to ‘advanced’ gains. Hell, 10 years from now I may look at my current gains as being beginner gains, lol.[/quote]
But there’s a generally accepted definition of beginner gains, which is the period where you continually make gains in a linear fashion. And that seemed to be the implication of ryanbCXG’s comment, that the poster’s gains weren’t due to his skill with programming and nutrition, but rather due to his beginner status. Perhaps I read too much into it.
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Under that definition, it is unlikely that beginner gains would last 2 years.
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
It is a mildly arrogant one though.
I’m 31 been training 15 years and I’m still getting better.[/quote]
No one said you can’t and won’t get better. Just the speed are which that occurs cannot be compared if you want to argue that point…well I won’t because that’s just naive
He’s been working out for two years. You think he’s still enjoying beginner gains?[/quote]
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.[/quote]
Has it been your experience that newbie gains last for two years? I would say that’d be more the exception than the rule, especially for a guy in his 40s.
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I think it depends on how much effort the individual puts forth. I know that gains came easily for me in my first 2+ years of training, so yes, that’s been my own experience. Conversely, I’ve had friends who couldn’t seem to make gains after they’d be lifting for a few months. Age is obviously a factor, but so are effort and starting point. Some people are more ‘primed’ for gains than others. That’s why I said it’s not unreasonable. Too many factors to rule it out.[/quote]
Effort yes. It’s all about that
I have a few friends that suck in the gym. No effort. It’s more of a jaw workout than anythign. They have been working out for 10 years. If I kicked there ass. And they put in effort I’d still classify the fast gains they’d get as beginner gains. It has nothing to do with years working out ok some of it is but that’s a portion of it only
As long as you are honest about your accomplishments, do what you want. Don’t claim a 400 bench when in reality you have a bench shirt, don’t claim it when in reality you are drug assisted.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
As long as you are honest about your accomplishments, do what you want. Don’t claim a 400 bench when in reality you have a bench shirt, don’t claim it when in reality you are drug assisted. [/quote]
So accomplishments don’t count once you use? Better to tell all Olympic athletes and pros they don’t count
