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Why Religious Schools Are Better

"Parents are furious. They have a lot of questions and they want answers. In particular, one parent we talked to wants to know why the school board member who gave the sex talk allegedly told the students not to tell their parents.

Laura cries every time she talks about it.

“They violated our parental rights,” she said. “And they violated our daughter’s innocence by just talking about all this stuff. They have no right.”

Laura doesn’t want to give her full name in order to protect her daughter. But she says she is outraged at what she says happened at Crosby Middle School in Hitchcock on January 15. A motivational speech that was supposed to be about TAKS testing turned into an explicit talk about sex, using graphic and inappropriate descriptions."

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7237981

This is why, if she asks, you should give your daughter a vibrator. But only if she asks.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
"Parents are furious. They have a lot of questions and they want answers. In particular, one parent we talked to wants to know why the school board member who gave the sex talk allegedly told the students not to tell their parents.

Laura cries every time she talks about it.

“They violated our parental rights,” she said. “And they violated our daughter’s innocence by just talking about all this stuff. They have no right.”

Laura doesn’t want to give her full name in order to protect her daughter. But she says she is outraged at what she says happened at Crosby Middle School in Hitchcock on January 15. A motivational speech that was supposed to be about TAKS testing turned into an explicit talk about sex, using graphic and inappropriate descriptions."

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I saw that. Pretty amazing.

Well, to answer your question: the reason why religious schools are better is the reason why private schools are better: students want to be there, teachers want to be there, and most of all: unions have little, if any, power. :slight_smile:

Are you still fantasizing about that?

Katz said it best, less union involvement, teachers actually give a shit, and I also think a level playing field helps students. I went to private Catholic school, and it was very hard for me. I went to public high school, and I killed it, because I was indoctrinated with some tough study skills. I also think the discipline at private schools helped keep kids in check. There wasn’t any of the riff raff shit you see today. Teachers knew how to lay the proverbial smack down, with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Katz said it best, less union involvement, teachers actually give a shit, and I also think a level playing field helps students. I went to private Catholic school, and it was very hard for me. I went to public high school, and I killed it, because I was indoctrinated with some tough study skills. I also think the discipline at private schools helped keep kids in check. There wasn’t any of the riff raff shit you see today. Teachers knew how to lay the proverbial smack down, with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students. [/quote]

I’m a self proclaimed agnostic (sometimes atheist), and don’t have any kids yet, but if I did, I would much rather send them to a private school for the reasons you mentioned.

The public school I went to (in a small town) wasn’t bad at all, but it wouldn’t compare to some of the private schools nearby. Superior education and learning environment to that of the school I went to.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students. [/quote]

Because at a public school you are likely to lose your job. It’s not a fault of the education system, it’s your blood sucking lawyers you can thank for that.

As an aside, do you have university entrance exams run by the school/education board?

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students. [/quote]

Because at a public school you are likely to lose your job. It’s not a fault of the education system, it’s your blood sucking lawyers you can thank for that.

As an aside, do you have university entrance exams run by the school/education board?[/quote]

You clearly don’t know how strong the teacher unions are here. They are as equal if not worse than the mafia. You can’t fire a public school teacher here if you tried. Sex scandal, drug use, violence, doesn’t matter. They shuffle them around, otherwise known as the passing of the lemons. Public school teachers are never fired, they are just re-assigned.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, 4 public school teachers were fired within a 10 yr period, and ranked 49th out of 50 in performance among the states. They are also the highest paid, starting at $64k/year without tenure.

You were saying?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students. [/quote]

Because at a public school you are likely to lose your job. It’s not a fault of the education system, it’s your blood sucking lawyers you can thank for that.

As an aside, do you have university entrance exams run by the school/education board?[/quote]

You clearly don’t know how strong the teacher unions are here. They are as equal if not worse than the mafia. You can’t fire a public school teacher here if you tried. Sex scandal, drug use, violence, doesn’t matter. They shuffle them around, otherwise known as the passing of the lemons. Public school teachers are never fired, they are just re-assigned.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, 4 public school teachers were fired within a 10 yr period, and ranked 49th out of 50 in performance among the states. They are also the highest paid, starting at $64k/year without tenure.

You were saying?[/quote]

Hm. Interesting. Never been a big fan of unions. Didn’t realize they had that much grunt, here public school teachers are lacking for fear of losing their jobs. Although that said, a lot are very good.

Just for conversation’s sake, is it the attitude of private/religious schools’ of actually caring, where everyone wants to be there, or is it the attitude at home, where your parents actually make that decision? Are these ‘work ethics’ instilled at school, or actually at home?

What’s being described above is sortof the weaknesses of a school catering for so many backgrounds and abilities. The level of work taught is enough for the slower people in the class, but not enough to push the more brighter pupils.

The best part of religious schools is that they have SOME values, and try to instill values into the kids. Public schools have NO values and aren’t allowed to instill values for fear of alienating some disparate group.

Whether someoe is religious or not, it is better to have a moral yardstick instead of none at all.

If your ten year old daughter cries whenever she hears about sex you have failed as a parent.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
with public schools, most teachers are downright scared of their students. [/quote]

Because at a public school you are likely to lose your job. It’s not a fault of the education system, it’s your blood sucking lawyers you can thank for that.

As an aside, do you have university entrance exams run by the school/education board?[/quote]

You clearly don’t know how strong the teacher unions are here. They are as equal if not worse than the mafia. You can’t fire a public school teacher here if you tried. Sex scandal, drug use, violence, doesn’t matter. They shuffle them around, otherwise known as the passing of the lemons. Public school teachers are never fired, they are just re-assigned.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, 4 public school teachers were fired within a 10 yr period, and ranked 49th out of 50 in performance among the states. They are also the highest paid, starting at $64k/year without tenure.

You were saying?[/quote]

Hm. Interesting. Never been a big fan of unions. Didn’t realize they had that much grunt, here public school teachers are lacking for fear of losing their jobs. Although that said, a lot are very good.[/quote]

For the opposite reason, is why teachers in public schools here suck. They are so protected that they have no reason to care. Here in California, teachers reach tenure in only 2 years, that certainly doesn’t help.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Whether someoe is religious or not, it is better to have a moral yardstick instead of none at all.[/quote]

Ridiculous. Religion, as you define it, =/= morals or ethics. It is entirely possible, and I would argue more likely, for someone to develop a strong moral character in an absence of religion. All religion does is give someone a reason to hate/exclude members of a different group because they’re not how people “should” be, don’t believe in the things people “should” believe in.

[quote]StonesAreFun wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Whether someoe is religious or not, it is better to have a moral yardstick instead of none at all.[/quote]

Ridiculous. Religion, as you define it, =/= morals or ethics. It is entirely possible, and I would argue more likely, for someone to develop a strong moral character in an absence of religion. All religion does is give someone a reason to hate/exclude members of a different group because they’re not how people “should” be, don’t believe in the things people “should” believe in. [/quote]

Unless a logical and realistic basis for morality can be found that most people can adhere to and which the masses will adopt in place of religious values, then what you’re describing is amorality.

Nietzsche discusses this. As religion loses its grip (God is dead.), a new morality has to be found or the world will enter into a time of massive wars and horror. He wrote this in the 1870’s and 1880’s.

[quote]orion wrote:
If your ten year old daughter cries whenever she hears about sex you have failed as a parent.
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If your reading comprehension is this bad, your parents failed.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
If your ten year old daughter cries whenever she hears about sex you have failed as a parent.
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If your reading comprehension is this bad, your parents failed.[/quote]

eh?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
If your ten year old daughter cries whenever she hears about sex you have failed as a parent.
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If your reading comprehension is this bad, your parents failed.[/quote]

eh?

[quote]
Laura doesn’t want to give her full name in order to protect her daughter. But she says she is outraged at what she says happened at Crosby Middle School in Hitchcock on January 15. A motivational speech that was supposed to be about TAKS testing turned into an explicit talk about sex, using graphic and inappropriate descriptions.

Laura says her 10-year-old daughter was at that assembly and is emotionally devastated.

“She is very humiliated, actually using the word sex,” Laura explained. “She will start crying. It’s very, very disturbing to her, of the things that she has heard.”

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Lol, just fucking with you Or, I thought you were talking about the excerpt that was on the page. I thought you were lazy like me and hadn’t read the actual article.