T Nation

Why Not Use Olympic Lifts for Main Exercises?


#1

Thibs, you had responded to a post of mine once that it was stupid to use olympic lifts for main excercises unless you're an olympic lifter. I always thought that they would increase general power output and CNS efficiency? I was considering doing just cleans instead of overhead presses for my next phase. Any thoughts?


#2

Cleans are working COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT MUSCLES in a COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT WAY to overhead press.
What makes you think you could compare the two?

If you said you were going to perform cleans instead of high pulls, that I could understand because the exercises have some simularity in movement pattern. Or instead of overhead press, you said you was going to try a variation like push press, push jerk, etc.....

why take out one exercise and replace it with another that works completley different muscles in a completley different plane of motion. why compare the two?


#3

Okay, well that part I don't really care about. I'm just wanting to use an O lift as one of the main strength lifts for upper body day and I figured cleans would best fit for overhead pressing. (I'm already push pressing) It's probably more similar to an overhead press than a bench press as far as muscles activated. Obviously it's a different exercise with a different movement pattern, but what other exercise would it replace in Thibs program? Unless you added them in addition to the other strength exercises, which seems like would be overkill.


#4

Seriously, are you trying to piss Thibs off???!

If he already said NO once, why would you simply find another way of asking the SAME question?! I used to do that shit to my parents when I was a toddler. Grow up!!

As for your question, you should do as Thibs has been recommending for ages and use powercleans/powersnatch etc for stimulating the nervous system, not as the main lift.


#5

Relax handsome. I just want to know WHY we shouldn't use them. Cause Thibs said so isn't really the in depth answer I'm looking for.


#6

Why do you want to use olympic lifts as a main exercise would be a better question?

CT uses OHP during the program for a specific reason.

CT has repeatedly recommended cleans as part of a continuous ramp on deadlift days. I personally do power cleans almost every session, ramping up to the heaviest weight I can dominate for 3 reps, and do that for 1-3 sets. Then I move on to my usual workout. I have worked my way up to heavier loads without focusing too hard on it and I feel it works well for activation.

I generally save snatches for neural charge workouts or a change of pace as cleans transfer well to strongman for me.


#7

I WANT to use them because I've always made better progress with snatches and cleans than I have overhead pressing generally, but if for some reason they don't fit with the wave loading protocol or anything else in the program, then I wouldn't use them. Just want to understand why.


#8

Hmm. Ok.


#9

So no one has an ACTUAL answer on why one shouldn't use O lifts as a main strength movement?


#10

Its a mass program, doing a clean even with the jerk wouldn't be nearly as good a mass builder for pressing muscles IMO as overhead pressing. Also why would you want to substitute it for the overhead press when it would fit much better on a lower body session?


#11

An actual answer as to why you wouldn't want a olympic lift as a strength movement? They are highly technical lifts best suited for power and less grinding and such. In the scheme of things I think they can be fine as a general main exercise but I don't think you will progress well on them if constantly going towards a top end set. Although for power purposes I think CT's waving sets would do fine.