Why McCain? I Don't Get It

So much for the 15 senators I wrote Tuesday night.

Republicrats need to be booted out of office.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
tedro wrote:
Anybody think Sarah Palin will come out in opposition of the bailout tonight?

It would be a brilliant move to keep the people on her side, and really reinforce her image of an outsider.

How does coming out against the bailout keep people on her side? You do realize that being against it is not only dumb, but the people are actually starting to realize how negatively their own lives would be affected if the government doesn’t do something.

With that said I think they could have drafted a better bill from what I’ve seen of it. But…there must be a bill. You sometimes have to lead in these matters and wait for public opinion to catch up later.[/quote]

Are you being serious? Did someone hack your account? For the first time, we agree on something. Although the substance of the Bill needs work, and I’m glad it initially got voted down.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
tedro wrote:
Anybody think Sarah Palin will come out in opposition of the bailout tonight?

It would be a brilliant move to keep the people on her side, and really reinforce her image of an outsider.

How does coming out against the bailout keep people on her side? You do realize that being against it is not only dumb, but the people are actually starting to realize how negatively their own lives would be affected if the government doesn’t do something.

With that said I think they could have drafted a better bill from what I’ve seen of it. But…there must be a bill. You sometimes have to lead in these matters and wait for public opinion to catch up later.[/quote]

Some 90% of people are against it, and all 3 senators in this race voted for it. The one that sides with the people is going to get unanimous support for it.

I don’t think anybody has suggested that nothing should be done, but most of us realize that throwing $700 billion at it isn’t the answer when basic free market principles can be applied and encouraged instead.

[quote]tedro wrote:
Anybody think Sarah Palin will come out in opposition of the bailout tonight?

It would be a brilliant move to keep the people on her side, and really reinforce her image of an outsider.[/quote]

I don’t think she favors it, but she cannot campaign against her running mate which may be a large conflict for her.

The simple truth is that this crisis, with the possible exception of the very trapped Palin, has shown us where everybody’s heart is when the chips are down.

This is really the issue. DC is a lifetime in an insular, self-affirming profession (legislation).

At the founding of this country, DC was close enough to the frontier that you didn’t want to piss off the rest of the country or they would just let the indians/french/spandiards come and burn you down. Also, there was so little federal control over things that no one really cared what went on there. Now, things are different.

Why is it that every time I see Ron Paul talking about the economy he seems to make the most sense? Coincidentally he was talking about the problems with the Fed’s monetary policy for a long time. And he voted against the bailout.

[quote]ryanjm wrote:
Why is it that every time I see Ron Paul talking about the economy he seems to make the most sense? Coincidentally he was talking about the problems with the Fed’s monetary policy for a long time. And he voted against the bailout.[/quote]

Because until he goes off on the gold standard he usually does. He’s one of the few small government, free market conservatives left. It’s when his libertarian leanings start to come out that he loses credit.

[quote]tedro wrote:
ryanjm wrote:
Why is it that every time I see Ron Paul talking about the economy he seems to make the most sense? Coincidentally he was talking about the problems with the Fed’s monetary policy for a long time. And he voted against the bailout.

Because until he goes off on the gold standard he usually does. He’s one of the few small government, free market conservatives left. It’s when his libertarian leanings start to come out that he loses credit.[/quote]

Backed money might not be such a bad thing now. And even if it’s not the answer, I think he would do a lot more good than bad. I think he’s on track on damn near every other issue involving the economy.

As for McCain, I’ve said it since last year that in November we will have to choose between an Liberal and a Socialist.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
tedro wrote:
ryanjm wrote:
Why is it that every time I see Ron Paul talking about the economy he seems to make the most sense? Coincidentally he was talking about the problems with the Fed’s monetary policy for a long time. And he voted against the bailout.

Because until he goes off on the gold standard he usually does. He’s one of the few small government, free market conservatives left. It’s when his libertarian leanings start to come out that he loses credit.

Backed money might not be such a bad thing now. And even if it’s not the answer, I think he would do a lot more good than bad. I think he’s on track on damn near every other issue involving the economy.

As for McCain, I’ve said it since last year that in November we will have to choose between an Liberal and a Socialist.

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Perhaps we’ll be singing to “Dear Leader.”

Arbeit macht frei.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’m reading you malone;

But why cancel one brillant political move (IMO Palin; some disagee) with one that seems almost a polar opposite?

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So he can prove the claim that he is a -Maverick-. If he can show the left that he doesn’t always go party lines then he can get some of the Dem’s, who wanted Hillary but don’t like Obama, to vote for him.

His maverick status seems more in question now seeing how he voted for the bailout bill, one that’s laden with $150B in pork… and he hasn’t said a thing about it (that I’ve heard/read at least). That was definitely a missed opportunity IMHO.

[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
I’m reading you malone;

But why cancel one brillant political move (IMO Palin; some disagee) with one that seems almost a polar opposite?

So he can prove the claim that he is a -Maverick-. If he can show the left that he doesn’t always go party lines then he can get some of the Dem’s, who wanted Hillary but don’t like Obama, to vote for him.[/quote]

That’s not what it’s about this time. 1/3 of the House Democrats voted against the Bailout. And a higher percentage of Democratic voters than that were against the bill in its current form.

At the same time, a minority but a decent amount of Republicans supported the Bill. If this was an attempt to get Democratic votes, it was a poorly thought-out one. He probably alienated at least as many Democratic voters with this mover as he gained.

As of this afternoon, the House was really being muscled; but they seem to be holding their own.

I have to reiterate what Rep. McCotter said in his speech:

(Paraphrasing)

“There needs to be some plan; there is no question about that…but one that is carefully thought out”.

We’ll just have to see how well members of the House resist all the arm twisting.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

We’ll just have to see how well members of the House resist all the arm twisting.

Mufasa[/quote]

That’s pretty much it. We still have to get hold of our House reps and break their phones too. Maybe that will help convince them. Especially the minority leader’s phone.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
tedro wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
tedro wrote:
Anybody think Sarah Palin will come out in opposition of the bailout tonight?

It would be a brilliant move to keep the people on her side, and really reinforce her image of an outsider.

How does coming out against the bailout keep people on her side? You do realize that being against it is not only dumb, but the people are actually starting to realize how negatively their own lives would be affected if the government doesn’t do something.

With that said I think they could have drafted a better bill from what I’ve seen of it. But…there must be a bill. You sometimes have to lead in these matters and wait for public opinion to catch up later.

Some 90% of people are against it, and all 3 senators in this race voted for it. The one that sides with the people is going to get unanimous support for it.

I don’t think anybody has suggested that nothing should be done, but most of us realize that throwing $700 billion at it isn’t the answer when basic free market principles can be applied and encouraged instead.

I think your number is high. In the beginning about 70% were against it. But after they realized that it IS going to effect them it’s much closer to 50/50.

But again, leaders don’t wait for the masses to agree with them BEFORE they act, they lead.
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That doesn’t seem to be the case, at least not this morning. People are still pissed.

Good leaders listen to their constituency, or they are not in office very long.

It’s All Coming Down to a Few Key States…

October 3, 2008 - by Ari J. Kaufman

"Bottom line: unless he wins Ohio and Florida , Obama is still searching for three or four Bush states to turn his way in order to gain his expected victory. I have not seen them. The 2008 map will be similar to 2004, which is amazing, considering the low opinion of the current president and the baseless claims of McCain filling a third Bush term.

Perhaps this is why McCain is playing it so safe? Anyway, fascinating analysis - check it out:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/its-all-coming-down-to-a-few-key-states/

McCain has got to hammer home how the dems blocked all reform of Fannie and Freddie. I can’t believe he has not done that to any degree yet. But I am still clinging to hope.

This is the sledge hammer that can damage the dems. He better do it because we know the media is way too weak and in the tank to pick it up.

Still a little mind blowing that the masses have not caught on yet to where the virus started.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
It’s All Coming Down to a Few Key States…

October 3, 2008 - by Ari J. Kaufman

"Bottom line: unless he wins Ohio and Florida , Obama is still searching for three or four Bush states to turn his way in order to gain his expected victory. I have not seen them. The 2008 map will be similar to 2004, which is amazing, considering the low opinion of the current president and the baseless claims of McCain filling a third Bush term.

Perhaps this is why McCain is playing it so safe? Anyway, fascinating analysis - check it out:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/its-all-coming-down-to-a-few-key-states/
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That article is a bit optomistic for McCain.

If this were a typical election it would be a blowout for McCain. The bogey this year is the Dems getting young and black voters out to vote in large numbers. They only have to do this in a few key states to make this race close. That and getting as many votes from dead people and non citizens.

If I were McCain I wouldn’t leave anything to chance.