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Why Is It So Hard To Be a Lean Powerlifter?


#1

I've been a weak bodybuilder and I've been a fat powerlifter.
Every time I diet down it's so hard to maintain strength uggh!!
I just wanna be like Dan Green :cry:

EDIT: I'm trying to diet down for a meet in 12 weeks (not related just an fwi)


#2

If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?


#3

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]
Dan doesn’t divulge too much details about his diet


#4

Roids bro…


#5

[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]
Dan doesn’t divulge too much details about his diet[/quote]

His diet has very little to do with his success.


#6

[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]
Dan doesn’t divulge too much details about his diet[/quote]

Had you hired him as a coach at this point?


#7

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]

Yeah do this. I trained like Dorian Yates for a couple of years, now I look just like him!


#8

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]

Yeah do this. I trained like Dorian Yates for a couple of years, now I look just like him![/quote]

I feel as though you misunderstood my post. To “do the things Dan Green did” would NOT mean to train for a couple of years in a certain style, as Dan Green has been training for a long time.

It would also not just be about training style. Diet and drug protocol would play a huge part as well.

I apologize for any confusion my initial post may have caused.


#9

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]

Yeah do this. I trained like Dorian Yates for a couple of years, now I look just like him![/quote]

I feel as though you misunderstood my post. To “do the things Dan Green did” would NOT mean to train for a couple of years in a certain style, as Dan Green has been training for a long time.

It would also not just be about training style. Diet and drug protocol would play a huge part as well.

I apologize for any confusion my initial post may have caused.
[/quote]

It was a joke.

My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. Dan Green may be a good coach though, for all I know.


#10

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]

Yeah do this. I trained like Dorian Yates for a couple of years, now I look just like him![/quote]

I feel as though you misunderstood my post. To “do the things Dan Green did” would NOT mean to train for a couple of years in a certain style, as Dan Green has been training for a long time.

It would also not just be about training style. Diet and drug protocol would play a huge part as well.

I apologize for any confusion my initial post may have caused.
[/quote]

It was a joke.

My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. Dan Green may be a good coach though, for all I know.[/quote]

What would you suggest the TC do to reach his goals?


#11

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. [/quote]

What better method would you suggest?

If OP has found himself stuck between being feeling that he will either be stuck as a “weak bodybuilder” and a “fat powerlifter” and has identified a person who has achieved what he is seeking - Bigger, Stronger, Leaner Alpha Male or whatever you want to call it - wouldn’t it make sense to work towards emulating said person?

That doesn’t mean starting to train like him TODAY, but working his way towards that would seem like the best way to attain such a goal, no?


#12

[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:
I just wanna be like Dan Green :’([/quote]
Then spend 19+ years lifting and 8+years prioritizing competitive powerlifting, just like he has (so far), and see where you end up.

I’m going to say that this is very likely your problem. Dude, I might be off but it seems like you’re always bouncing from one thing to another, or cutting for something, or pairing up contests in different sports and trying to get it all done.

I’m certainly in no position to choose your goals for you, but have you considered setting one long-term goal (12 months or longer) and actually focusing on one thing for an extended period of time without getting “distracted” by a contest, show, similiar-but-different sport, or other short-term issue? Unless a meet comes up along the way that you can do seamlessly, without having to peak or cut or modify your training one fraction, is it really worth doing? (That’s rhetorical and something only you can answer.)

If you can wrangle your enthusiasm into a narrow beam, I think you might be surprised at the end result. Like if you decide to focus just on getting a 1300 or 1400 total without going over 185ish by March 1, 2016.


#13

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
If you want to be like Dan Green, why not do the things Dan Green does?[/quote]

Yeah do this. I trained like Dorian Yates for a couple of years, now I look just like him![/quote]

I feel as though you misunderstood my post. To “do the things Dan Green did” would NOT mean to train for a couple of years in a certain style, as Dan Green has been training for a long time.

It would also not just be about training style. Diet and drug protocol would play a huge part as well.

I apologize for any confusion my initial post may have caused.
[/quote]

It was a joke.

My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. Dan Green may be a good coach though, for all I know.[/quote]

What would you suggest the TC do to reach his goals?
[/quote]

I don’t think he was really looking for advice, just venting some frustration. We can’t all be Dan Green, lol. All he said is he’s dieting for a meet now, which is not much to go on for giving advice anyway.


#14

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. [/quote]

What better method would you suggest?

If OP has found himself stuck between being feeling that he will either be stuck as a “weak bodybuilder” and a “fat powerlifter” and has identified a person who has achieved what he is seeking - Bigger, Stronger, Leaner Alpha Male or whatever you want to call it - wouldn’t it make sense to work towards emulating said person?

That doesn’t mean starting to train like him TODAY, but working his way towards that would seem like the best way to attain such a goal, no?[/quote]

Strength will go down when you lose mass, that’s just the way it is as a natural. If he wants to be big AND lean he needs to take the necessary hormones. Drugs are number one, diet is number two, training is a distant third priority in that scenario.

Want to stay natural? Choose between being lean and weak/fat and strong.


#15

Become a strong bodybuilder.


#16

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
My point was: you can eat, train, sleep, and dose your drugs similarly to Dan Green, Dorian Yates or whoever - it won’t make you look like anything like them. [/quote]

What better method would you suggest?

If OP has found himself stuck between being feeling that he will either be stuck as a “weak bodybuilder” and a “fat powerlifter” and has identified a person who has achieved what he is seeking - Bigger, Stronger, Leaner Alpha Male or whatever you want to call it - wouldn’t it make sense to work towards emulating said person?

That doesn’t mean starting to train like him TODAY, but working his way towards that would seem like the best way to attain such a goal, no?[/quote]

Strength will go down when you lose mass, that’s just the way it is as a natural. If he wants to be big AND lean he needs to take the necessary hormones. Drugs are number one, diet is number two, training is a distant third priority in that scenario.

Want to stay natural? Choose between being lean and weak/fat and strong.
[/quote]

This is complete utter bullshit. Have you had prior experience with drugs AT A LEVEL where you have near maxed your natural gains?


#17

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

Want to stay natural? Choose between being lean and weak/fat and strong.
[/quote]

While you’d always be leaner/bigger with drugs, it is possible to be pretty dang strong and reasonably lean. You don’t have to be fat or weak.


#18

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Want to stay natural? Choose between being lean and weak/fat and strong.
[/quote]

Implying that anyone who doesn’t take PED’s is either weak or fat? Interesting angle to take…and by interesting I mean completely retarded and false.

OP just stick at it, as others have said you’ll be likely to lose some strength when you lose weight. If you can end up being stronger at the same weight as some time in the past or the same strength at a lighter weight then you’ve progressed.


#19

[quote]rusty92 wrote:

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Want to stay natural? Choose between being lean and weak/fat and strong.
[/quote]

Implying that anyone who doesn’t take PED’s is either weak or fat? Interesting angle to take…and by interesting I mean completely retarded and false.
[/quote]

The OP of this thread cannot stay lean AND get jacked as a natural, that’s a fact. If he goes on a serious bulk as a natural, he will have to accept the fat gain that comes along with the strength and muscle, and keep at it for long enough that he can keep most of the muscle when he diets down. Drugs will allow him to stay leaner while bulking, if he chooses that route.

You can be reasonably strong and lean as a natural, sure. You CAN’T stay lean all the time and get to that point, unless you’re a genetic marvel.


#20

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]shadowbobo8028 wrote:
I just wanna be like Dan Green :’([/quote]
Then spend 19+ years lifting and 8+years prioritizing competitive powerlifting, just like he has (so far), and see where you end up.

I’m going to say that this is very likely your problem. Dude, I might be off but it seems like you’re always bouncing from one thing to another, or cutting for something, or pairing up contests in different sports and trying to get it all done.

I’m certainly in no position to choose your goals for you, but have you considered setting one long-term goal (12 months or longer) and actually focusing on one thing for an extended period of time without getting “distracted” by a contest, show, similiar-but-different sport, or other short-term issue? Unless a meet comes up along the way that you can do seamlessly, without having to peak or cut or modify your training one fraction, is it really worth doing? (That’s rhetorical and something only you can answer.)

If you can wrangle your enthusiasm into a narrow beam, I think you might be surprised at the end result. Like if you decide to focus just on getting a 1300 or 1400 total without going over 185ish by March 1, 2016.[/quote]
I compete in 1-2 contests of any kind, be it bodybuilding or powerlifting, a year. And I don’t plan to compete in anything at all next year.
Besides, I’m doing this because I’m going for a world record. My squat is already tied with the current WPC World Record for my division. I’m just doing a moderately slow cut to lose a couple pounds to make it easier to weigh in so I don’t have to use water manipulation.
And like someone else said, yeah I guess I’m pretty much being a whiny bish. I just think it’s cool to be 8% bodyfat and freaking strong like Dan.