[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hamster wrote:
I don’t know of any studies, but weight is certainly a load on the heart and joints.
Actually, your heart gets stronger assuming your other activities are “healthy” as well. Load on the joints? You mean, like running? Every jogger is at risk of runner’s knee and other problems. Running itself is detrimental to joints so why are you not also against everyone who runs in marathons?
Good point. I don’t mean to be fixed in my definitions, but I agree that I’ve presented them that way. I’ve also known 350lb linemen from my college who could outrun skinny bastards in the 40, but that doesn’t change the point. The upper limit of their speed, quickness, and flexibility is set lower due to their incredible size. Ronnie Coleman would find quickness and flexibility more easily attained were he 100 pounds lighter.
Are YOU even at the upper limit of speed and quickness? Let’s seriously quit any waltzes around bushes. Unless you are training for the Olympics in sprinting or train for a specific sport that needs a specific set of skills, why would you care who as at the upper limit of speed and quickness? Are you implying by simply being smaller I would be at the upper limit of speed and quickness?
I admit I’m a little weird with my response, but here me out. It’s about making yourself feel self-fulfilled. That is how I define ego. There is internal focus, and there is external focus. I call internally focus dominated people “ego-centric.” But that’s just me, and I’m likely one of them.
I am self-fulfilled by every endeavor I succeed in. This was explained to you. Why would anyone choose bodybuilding as a source for narcissistic focus? Again, in the question posed to you before, is someone who takes their education higher than college level somehow doing it for ego alone?
I don’t mean this to be scathing even if it comes across that way, but those are self-centered and maybe even egotistical, pride-centered statements. I have them too, but we need to recognize them for what they are.
What? Do you put any thought into the clothes you wear? Have you ever bought a name brand shoe over another simply because it said Nike on it? Do you get hair cuts in certain styles beyond simply keeping it “functional”? Do you wash your car beyond just keeping it from being filthy to the point that it shines? These are all “pride centered”. The majority of the things we do in life are. Why focus on bodybuilding at the exclusion of the others?
Being lean and muscular for the sake of impressing and self-fulfillment is prideful and (dare I say) sinful, but improving ones health is not. The motivators are what I’m questioning.
Bullshit. You can be “healthy” and never lift a weight. That includes the training Edward Norton to be skinny in American X. I have also learned that only very undeveloped people look to his physique in that movie as a goal to shoot for.[/quote]
Hold on a minute, prof. I never said I was against anyone, least of all bodybuilders, strength athletes, or fitness enthusiasts. I merely contend that there are many here who are focused on becoming as big as possible, without really even thinking too much about why. I fall into this category myself.
I can summarize my reasons by saying that training is fun for me, it allows aggression and stress relief, and it’s rewarding to see improvement. But after having gained some size, I’m realizing that other physical qualities are suffering. I don’t change direction as fast. I don’t perform as well on endurance related tests (i’m in the military). I’ve lost some flexibility.
In the end, I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m only suggesting that shooting after a smaller ideal body may benefit some of the other physical qualities, as well as overall health. I don’t have studies to support my idea, and I wasn’t aware that in order to post on this forum you had to research on medline first. I’m just giving my opinion, folks.
