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Why Do WE Want a Fast Metabolism?

I really don’t get it, someone enlighten me. Obviously if you are 5’10" 230 lbs of fat or muscle and want to cut down or cut down for a competition, fast metabolism is great.

However, what about us who are 5’10" 180 lbs or so and have been stuck there for a long time due to our extremely fast metabolisms? Why would I want to try and eat 5-8 times a day to speed up my metabolism? Why not 3 times a day, with each meal being about 1500 calories?

I just seriously don’t get the thought process behind “Well my metabolism is super fast, I have a hard time putting on weight, so I’m gona eat every chance I get during the day so my metabolism can be SO lightning fast that I still won’t have a chance to gain weight.”

Point in case, I increased my calories this past week by a ton, and guess what? I crapped out just that much more, setting me back to my net equal weight of 180 lbs. I just don’t get it.

Because you could eat 1500kcal 5-8times a day.

[quote]rsg wrote:
Because you could eat 1500kcal 5-8times a day.[/quote]

And crap out even more? what’s the point?

Well then in your case, eat 3 meals of 2000kcal, if that stops you from shitting it out.

If it doesn’t, well then slice.

[quote]lifter85 wrote:
rsg wrote:
Because you could eat 1500kcal 5-8times a day.

And crap out even more? what’s the point?[/quote]

Your stunning ignorance on the subject of nutrition leaves me in awe.

[quote]blue9steel wrote:
lifter85 wrote:
rsg wrote:
Because you could eat 1500kcal 5-8times a day.

And crap out even more? what’s the point?

Your stunning ignorance on the subject of nutrition leaves me in awe. [/quote]

What makes you think I actually do this? I am quite 100% sure I eat better than you, so don’t be in awe anymore.

Please enlighten me. The more shit produced has some sort of correlation to calories burned?

You must be straining pretty hard then. I suggest more fiber.

[quote]lifter85 wrote:
What makes you think I actually do this? I am quite 100% sure I eat better than you, so don’t be in awe anymore.[/quote]

You challenged a truism of nutrition, and it indeed shows a staggering ignorance on the topic on your part. However, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as you are genuinely looking to improve your knowledge base and not merely trolling (and I can understand why some would have that impression from the way you phrase your posts).

For now, I’ll assume good faith.

I don’t think the primary reason behind increasing the number of meals is speeding up metabolism. Rather, it’s a way to make sure you get out as much nutrients from your food intake as possible.

There’s only a certain amount of food your body can process in a certain time window, and filling it up with three huge meals a day will make you sluggish, fat and highly inefficient at getting the most bang for buck nutrition-wise.

I’m not gonna go into the insulin sensitivity issue, but suffice it to say that it’s also a reason you don’t wanna be taking a bulking diet in as few meals as possible.

Because it’s easier to eat more, bucko.

I’m one of those guys who’s normally got a monster fast metabolism, the only way I can get enough calories is to eat 6-8 meals a day.

There’s no way to consume certain foods I’m fond of except in that fashion.

You can drink a crap load of milk in one sitting, I’d vomit or have gas that could kill small animals.

Lifter85, you are getting frustrated again! Like you did in

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1723767

It’s understandable, damn frustrating no doubt.

As i said then it may be that you’re not properly digesting all the food, also your diet as posted though lots of food volume wouldnt have been harmed by some extra fats from meat, cheese, heavy cream, nuts - if you really do need extra calories that is.

The 5-6 meals thing isnt just about metabolism, nor do i think a person can simply choke down 6 lots of 1500 calories a day with ease anyway - but it does mean you can spread your daily calories over more meals and give your system more time to deal with each load as well as maintain some nutrients circulating all day.

Consider a doctors appointment if you’re worried about digestion, maybe check into digestion aids - some supplements are designed to help it.

[quote]lifter85 wrote:
blue9steel wrote:
lifter85 wrote:
rsg wrote:
Because you could eat 1500kcal 5-8times a day.

And crap out even more? what’s the point?

Your stunning ignorance on the subject of nutrition leaves me in awe.

What makes you think I actually do this? I am quite 100% sure I eat better than you, so don’t be in awe anymore.[/quote]

Well that told him.

If you are dumping more calories in your body than it can absorb, they will be stored as fat or “crapped out.”

If you introduce the same amount of calories and nutrients to your body in smaller quantities all day long, your body will absorb more of them at a time. This will enable your body to utilize the food rather than “crapping it out.”

and it’ll take longer than a week.

I really don’t know why you’re getting so much flak over this question. Your observations are spot on.

I have a very fast metabolism as well. Over the years I’ve found eating 3-4 large meals a day works best. 6 meals a day and my metabolism sky rockets. I don’t particularily enjoy eating 7000 kcal a day and I assume many others don’t as well.

Many bodybuilders will eat less meals a day while bulking and more while cutting.

Eating a higher fat diet will also slow your metabolism. You also need to increase your protein intake most likely. I didn’t notice huge results until I started eating in excess of 300 grams of protein a day.

And of course consume more calories.

Working out less days per week will also help slow down your metabolism. I noticed in another thread of yours, you are at the gym 6 days a week. Try cutting it down to 3. Do both cardio and weights on the same to day.

It’s counter-intuitive to what most people do since most people have slower metabolisms. They need all the help they can get to lose fat.

[quote]Bri Hildebrandt wrote:
Many bodybuilders will eat less meals a day while bulking and more while cutting. [/quote]

Care to substantiate that?

[quote]lifter85 wrote:
I just seriously don’t get the thought process behind “Well my metabolism is super fast, I have a hard time putting on weight, so I’m gona eat every chance I get during the day so my metabolism can be SO lightning fast that I still won’t have a chance to gain weight.”
[/quote]

Whatever increases in metabolic rate occur as a result of feeding, it still will be less than what you actually consume.

If you consumed an extra meal of say, 500 cals, and it caused your metabolic rate to increase by a 400 cals (which will NOT happen - I’m pulling these numbers out of thin air to make my point), you’ve still consumed a net intake of 100 more calories than you otherwise would have if you had not eaten more often.

You’re not going to burn more calories as a result of feeding than the actual caloric value of the feeding.

[quote]lifter85 wrote:

Point in case, I increased my calories this past week by a ton, and guess what? I crapped out just that much more, setting me back to my net equal weight of 180 lbs. I just don’t get it.[/quote]

That means nothing. People carry something like 7-10 pounds of shit around in their bowels all day, so shitting more doesn’t mean you’re losing actual fat or muscle.

It eating a “ton” caused the kind of weight loss you’ve suggested, there would be no fat people.

The thermic effect of feeding is only going to burn up so many of these extra calories. Off the top of my head 100 grams of protein takes 100 calories to burn, still leaving you with 300 extra… Also 100 grams of fat or carbs ingested is somewhere in the 4-6 calorie range.

well then answer me this, the past few days i’ve been eating more and more, BUT, the past few days i’ve had 3 solid poops within the first 3 hours of waking. Kind of hard to keep on to weight when you are crapping 3 times within the first 2 hours of waking, and have more to come later in the day.

You will naturally shit more if you eat more - that’s simply because you’ll produce more waste.

"What is poop made of?
About 3/4 of your average turd is made of water. Of course, this value is highly variable…
Of the remaining portion of the turd, about 1/3 is composed of dead bacteria. These microcorpses come from the intestinal garden of microorganisms that assist us in the digestion of our food. Another 1/3 of the turd mass is made of stuff that we find indigestible, like cellulose, for instance.

This indigestible material is called “fiber,” and is useful in getting the turd to move along through the intestine, perhaps because it provides traction. The remaining portion of the turd is a mixture of fats such as cholesterol, inorganic salts like phosphates, live bacteria, dead cells and mucus from the lining of the intestine, and protein."

The scoop on poop
http://www.heptune.com/poop.html

The thermic effect of feeding will not burn more calories than is in the food consumed, period. Like I said, if that were true, there would be no fat people. We’d be facing an epidemic of skinniness.

[quote]lifter85 wrote:
well then answer me this, the past few days i’ve been eating more and more, BUT, the past few days i’ve had 3 solid poops within the first 3 hours of waking. Kind of hard to keep on to weight when you are crapping 3 times within the first 2 hours of waking, and have more to come later in the day.[/quote]

Eat the poop to get the precious calories you are losing.

Seriously though, just because you are pooping a whole lot more doesnt mean you are losing calories. More food will obviously lead to more waste. The body releases food from the stomach at a rate at which it can absorb it, so rest assure that you are not pooping out calories. Follow a couple of fat people around and see how many calories they are “not absorbing” throughout the day.

Eating many smalls meals throughout the day probably doesnt raise the metabolism as much as you think, and is generally done for insulin control and also to get more food in (do you know how much food 2,000 cals is… Very hard to do in one sitting). You may want to read up on G-Flux as to why having a high food intake along with a high metabolism is a good thing.