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Why do PLers Squat More than They Deadlift?

Is it because deadlift is done last while squat is done first at comp (I could be very wrong here)? Or maybe is it because of the gear used (no bouncing in deads)?

I know as far as I’m concerned I can squat more than I can dead. If I’m going for reps and I’m bouncing I can rep more deadlifts at the same weight, but on a 1RM, I can use my momentum on squats and the fact that it’s not from dead stop to move more weight. Deadlifts I can rep 315 for 5 and can’t even get up 335.

In geared lifting, its because gear provides more assistance on squats than deadlifting.

For raw lifters, I dunno. As of now I can squat more just due to my grip, but with straps I pull more than squat.

raw most guys pull more than they squat, unless they have back/grip problems or short arms. as to equipment, what dixiesfinest said.

fixed.

Wow that’s something new to me. Actually I’ve been noticing that the PLers in my gym do the same but never bother to ask. I myself am a beginner olympic weightlifter and so far I can’t squat more than I DL!

Thanks for the replies!

I pull over 100lbs more than I can squat and train squat more often. I also have long arms and a very short torso.

[quote]HERC410 wrote:
raw most guys squat more than they pull, unless they have back/grip problems or short arms. as to equipment, what dixiesfinest said.[/quote]

I’m pretty sure you meant to say raw- most guys pull more than they squat, where equipped it’s reversed because suits give a lot more to squats than deads.

Limb/Torso length as well as PL gear used are the major factors.

And training history etc as well, of course…

There are plenty of raw lifters who squat more than they deadlift, simply due to short arms/long torsos/pulling conventional when they should be doing sumo or modified sumo due to their structure, etc.
Although I do think that the number of guys who deadlift more than they squat raw is greater…

The short answer is they don’t, most lifters deadlift more than they squat. However, some things do affect these numbers.

If you go raw, there is a very significant majority of lifters that will pull more than they squat.

The lighter you are, the more likely your dead is better than your squat. Once you get to about 242 or so the numbers tend to even out and at SHW generally those lifters can squat more than they pull by a little bit.

The rules. PL feds differ a lot on squat depth. If you just go bottom of the leg parallel that allows lifters to go ultra wide and squat a ton. If you go IPF depth then you can’t go super wide and so it changes the leverage and squats get much, much harder.

Gear - knee wraps and a squat suit help a whole lot, again even more with a wide stance and a shallow squat. DL suits only help a little bit.

To highlight, here is a quick list of lifts. These lifts are the 10th ranked lift on PL watch for 2010 men.

148 Squat Dead
Raw 407 501
Single 501 530
Multi 525 501

198
Raw 600 670
Single 685 683
Multi 771 660

SHW
Raw 750 735
Single 810 727
Multi 903 683

Single is single ply gear, multi is multi ply gear and usually those feds don’t require the deep squats. Hope that sheds some light on the question.

As a raw lifter, I deadlift more than I squat. But this is partially due to the fact that I fractured a vertebra and my squat hasn’t been that hot lately. My current squat and deadlift numbers are 225 and 365, respectively. I"m just trying to get squat back to where it used to be, which was 365.

Luke

[quote]Paperclip wrote:
Is it because deadlift is done last while squat is done first at comp (I could be very wrong here)? Or maybe is it because of the gear used (no bouncing in deads)?[/quote]

Maybe. I have always deadlifted more than I squat, and not by a little either. It could be that I’m naturally built for the deadlift or because I full squat. Then again, I find that the advice given by Louie Simmons regarding the deadlift does not apply to me as much. I use to deadlift heavy every week, never felt it burned me out. The squat does tend to though.

"Tim Henriques wrote:

To highlight, here is a quick list of lifts. These lifts are the 10th ranked lift on PL watch for 2010 men.

148 Squat Dead
Raw 407 501
Single 501 530
Multi 525 501

198
Raw 600 670
Single 685 683
Multi 771 660

SHW
Raw 750 735
Single 810 727
Multi 903 683

Single is single ply gear, multi is multi ply gear and usually those feds don’t require the deep squats. Hope that sheds some light on the question."

Thanks, Tim, those numbers are definitely enlightening! So it’s mainly about your weight, gear, limbs vs torso length, and squat depth (the last one is probably the most obvious). BW and its relation to the squat interests me the most.

Also thanks to the others who have given their opinion/experience!

Body mechanics, awesome gear for squatting, that can be manipulated, and decent gear for deadlifts, that cant be manipulated as well.

a quad/hamstring imbalance, duh

i weigh 183

squat: 365
deadlift: 455, close to getting 495

i dont use anything but a weight belt on both. sometimes chalk on deads, usually just barehanded.

I agree with Henriques on the weight class affecting the numbers. I lift raw and when I was lifting in lighter classes, my pull was always about 100 lbs higher than my squat. In fact, my pull was in the high 500’s for years while my squat caught up. Once I hit the 242’s and got to the 600 mark on squat, they evened out and now that I’m in the 275 class, the squat is outpacing the dead quickly, although my pull is still moving too.

"strengthstudent wrote:

I agree with Henriques on the weight class affecting the numbers. I lift raw and when I was lifting in lighter classes, my pull was always about 100 lbs higher than my squat. In fact, my pull was in the high 500’s for years while my squat caught up. Once I hit the 242’s and got to the 600 mark on squat, they evened out and now that I’m in the 275 class, the squat is outpacing the dead quickly, although my pull is still moving too."

This is very interesting. Do you have any opinion on what the cause is?

As you gain weight it usually helps the SQ more than the DL because a thicker mid-section helps the SQ and hinders the DL. When I was heavier it was easier to stay tighter in the hole when I would SQ. On the other hand being thicker through the mid-section makes it a little tougher to get into optimal pulling position, especially when pulling conventional.

^

Thanks for the info, SRS!

BTW I made a graph from the ExRx Strength Standards for mental masturbation material:

According to it, the relation of squat vs deadlift where the squat catching up the deadlift as BW increases only applies to “advanced” and “elite” lifters (whatever that means).

^ That may have something to do with grip being a limiting factor when the weight gets really heavy.