Why Attacks on Trump Don't Work

[therajraj]

[quote=“Sloth, post:645, topic:217419, full:true”]

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Trump said “taking them out” which could mean what you are saying, or removing them from circulation (holding them so they can’t communicate to outside groups), to hitting them financially. [/quote]

No, no, no he didn’t mean anything but killing them. Once more, watch the debate video. Watch the question posed to him. It is clearly about his ordering our troops to kill non-combatants. The questioner isn’t talking about troops possibly having an issue detaining them. That’s nonsense. He’s talking about illegal orders. He’s talking about deliberately targeting and killing them. To which he simply says they WILL follow his orders. Please, the context is crystal clear. He doesn’t even try to downplay what he means, he flat out defends it.

Donald Trump defends call for targeting terrorists' families | Fox News Video

He also clarified:

“I will use every legal power that I have to stop these terrorist enemies,” the statement issued by his campaign said. “I do, however, understand that the United States is bound by laws and treaties and I will not order our military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters. I will not order a military officer to disobey the law. It is clear that as president I will be bound by laws just like all Americans and I will meet those responsibilities.”

That IS NOT clarification: That is him doing a complete 180 after he took a beating for having said he’d order our servicemen to carry out illegal acts, and they’d listen. Proof is in the video. That statement above is the opposite of what he originally staked out as his position (which he defends in the video). That’s not clarification, that’s a complete flip-flop (like so many, many others) for political convenience.

Well this is open to interpretation. Is a question posed in a debate more likely his real position or a written statement on his site?

[Sloth]

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

[Sloth]

Folks, we aren’t even close to talking about co-equal power sharing in the old household here…

[therajraj]

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

I don’t understand what this means

[Sloth]

@therajraj

Well this is open to interpretation. Is a question posed in a debate more likely his real position or a written statement on his site?

I always love the “well, he’s a liar” defense of Trump. And that should disqualify him. The fact that you can’t even be sure about his stance on THIS.

[therajraj]

@Sloth

@therajraj

Well this is open to interpretation. Is a question posed in a debate more likely his real position or a written statement on his site?

I always love the “well, he’s a liar” defense of Trump. And that should disqualify him. The fact that you can’t even be sure about his stance on THIS.

As opposed to who? Where is this paragon of virtue that you want to elect in his place?

[Sloth]

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

I don’t understand what this means

You’re going to go arrest wives and children, right?

[therajraj]

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

I don’t understand what this means

You’re going to go arrest wives and children, right?

I would hold them sure. Didn’t the US arrest the San Bernadino terrorist family?

[Sloth]

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Well this is open to interpretation. Is a question posed in a debate more likely his real position or a written statement on his site?

I always love the “well, he’s a liar” defense of Trump. And that should disqualify him. The fact that you can’t even be sure about his stance on THIS.

As opposed to who? Where is this paragon of virtue that you want to elect in his place?

I’m actually more a realist now-a-days. I don’t need a paragon of virtue. Or, a candidate that necessarily checks off every single issue with me. But I won’t vote for a paragon of filth.

[Sloth]

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

I don’t understand what this means

You’re going to go arrest wives and children, right?

I would hold them sure. Didn’t the US arrest the San Bernadino terrorist family?

And, then you’d do what with them? Indefinite detention until, what?

[therajraj]

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Well this is open to interpretation. Is a question posed in a debate more likely his real position or a written statement on his site?

I always love the “well, he’s a liar” defense of Trump. And that should disqualify him. The fact that you can’t even be sure about his stance on THIS.

As opposed to who? Where is this paragon of virtue that you want to elect in his place?

I’m actually more a realist now-a-days. I don’t need a paragon of virtue. Or, a candidate that necessarily checks off every single issue with me. But I won’t vote for a paragon of filth.

As long as you hold all other candidates to the same standard. I don’t particularly see him being any worse as any of the alternatives. And I don’t just mean hillary.

Also would you mind editing out that video you posted of the Trump comments? It’s messing my browser and continually asking me to download it.

[therajraj]

@Sloth

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@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

@Sloth

@therajraj

Let’s say terrorists take over a large concert hall with hundreds of hostages in the US, would you oppose the US government putting any sort of pressure on the terrorist’s families to get them to give up? I’m talking about family locally in the US.

Yes. Would you shoot his 9 year old in the head? Would you cut off the fingers of his wife (who lives as a subservient lifestyle in the first place)? Would you order one of our young servicemen to do it?

I would have no problem holding their families until the terrorist gave up. I also would consider putting in a policy that forced the terrorists families to pay for damages caused by the terrorist. This would work as an incentive for the terrorist families to report them to the police

So you’d send FBI over to arrest the women and children of terrorists…And you think this rather impossible and wasteful tactic would scare their wives more than their husbands and their friends potentially chopping off their heads and dumping them into the streets as a lesson for betraying their husbands?

I don’t understand what this means

You’re going to go arrest wives and children, right?

I would hold them sure. Didn’t the US arrest the San Bernadino terrorist family?

And, then you’d do what with them? Indefinite detention until, what?

Until the issue has been sorted. However long that takes. Could be a day could be months.

[Sloth]

@therajraj

Also would you mind editing out that video you posted of the Trump comments? It’s messing my browser and continually asking me to download it.

Huh. Ok, will do. Hold on.

Edit: Think it still shows up in your quotes of it, though.

[therajraj]

This is the culture created with the open door policy of letting muslims into your country Sloth.

Letting muslims into non-muslim countries is by and large one of the WORST ideas in recent times.

[anon50325502]

@therajraj

Looking up the answer is 662.

I would be extremely shocked if we have 662 bases around the world even if you including those within the United States

Edit:

PolitiFact - Ron Paul says U.S. has military personnel in 130 nations and 900...

[anon50325502]

@therajraj how do you plan on arresting and holding the families of terrorist while simultaneous scaling the military back and cutting NATO funding and resources?

[therajraj]

@anon50325502

@therajraj how do you plan on arresting and holding the families of terrorist while simultaneous scaling the military back and cutting NATO funding and resources?

If he means bombing villages of the families then I don’t support that. If he means holding terrorist families on the US soil, I’d support that.

[anon50325502]

@therajraj

@anon50325502

@therajraj how do you plan on arresting and holding the families of terrorist while simultaneous scaling the military back and cutting NATO funding and resources?

If he means bombing villages of the families then I don’t support that. If he means holding terrorist families on the US soil, I’d support that.

Okay. How do you plan on accomplish this while pulling troops, resources, and money out of Europe, The Middle East, and Asia? Isn’t that what you were advocating in this or another thread?

[zeb1]

@thunderbolt23

Hillary getting elected might just make things better medium and long term as you note, it’d make sense to pull the lever for Hillary as a contrarian but strategic vote to put things in motion for a better 2018 and beyond.[/quote]

Uh huh…yes TB we understand you think it’s better if Hillary wins in November in the “medium and long term” I see. Don’t you feel better now for actually coming out with what you’ve thought all along?

[quote]But, as I have said before, I can’t vote for someone like Hillary. The mere act of casting the vote - smart as it may be, as you note - is anathema to me at this point.

Just because you think it would be better in the “medium and long term:” does not mean you’d vote for her…of course not.

At least it is now out in the open and everyone is aware of why you’ve been doing all the Trump bashing. It was rather obvious that you’ve been dead set against Trump but not so much against Hillary. Now we all know.

You think she’d be better in “the medium and long term”

Got it.

It’s nice that after a barrage of 40 posts the truth comes out.

[therajraj]

@anon50325502

@therajraj

@anon50325502

@therajraj how do you plan on arresting and holding the families of terrorist while simultaneous scaling the military back and cutting NATO funding and resources?

If he means bombing villages of the families then I don’t support that. If he means holding terrorist families on the US soil, I’d support that.

Okay. How do you plan on accomplish this while pulling troops, resources, and money out of Europe, The Middle East, and Asia? Isn’t that what you were advocating in this or another thread?

I’m saying for terrorist families presently located in the US