Why Attacks on Trump Don't Work

Why do you think polls now show him narrowly beating hillary but show bernie beating him by over 10 points?

I’ll venture a guess…people believe that Bernie will take all those evil rich people and force them to give their money to everybody else.

Because that is how things should work in their minds, rich people bad…I want what they have…ect.

This is what I hear constantly from younger people in my office.

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Do you think dozens of corporations should be paying no income tax? Do you think it is common sense and in the interests of working people to demand that change? And want a national health service rather than spending 600 billion a year on “defence” alone?

Unless you are a millionaire, why would you be arguing in the interests of the very rich? Seems common sense that most Americans are average workers and polls suggest they would elect someone in favour of stuff that benefits them, over Trump, no?

Darm, Zep had a thread where he said exactly what you posted here. USMCCDS (who is an accountant) debunked every single point with references and and links.

Read through this and educate yourself.

This little gem was addressed many times.

I don’t need reeducating. All of the developed world, except America has universal healthcare. Every economist in the western world, except some American ones think universal healthcare is a given.

Tax the wealthy more, raise taxes, use it to build a strong healthcare system and a social safety net. It is possible. America isn’t less capable than the rest of the civilised world right?

Essentially I think it is a vote against Hillary. There is a visceral hate for the Clintons that continually beats even Trump’s antics. Bernie however is an unknown to most people and Trump’s negatives are high as well. Therefore, when the poll question is asked whom would you vote for in a general election Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump people automatically think “well I don’t like Trump so I’ll vote for this Sanders fellow whoever he is.”

Hard to believe but most people don’t start paying attention to the Presidential election until sometime around Halloween. The kids are back in school and then they begin to focus on who is running and get a gut feel based on looks, charisma and of course even some policy issues on who they want to become the next President…

So in a nut shell Bernie beats Trump in some polls because people don’t know him or what he stands for and everyone knows Trump but he has high negatives.

He beats Trump in pretty much every poll and he smashes both in the favourable/unfavourable polls:

  1. We don’t live in a vacuum if corporations pay higher taxes people will be paying more for goods and services.

  2. The US has the highest corporate tax in the world. So…how much higher should it be?

  3. This whole idea about “them” having more than me is politics by envy and the democrats have been great at it for many years. They helped create an entire underclass of permanent voters who are totally or at least in part dependent on the government for a monthly check. Good politics for sure …but really sleazy governing. Bernie has come along and is trying to out Obama Obama. But Socialism is only one step away from our current democrat party anyway. Bernie winning about half the primaries proves that. Of course much of that is a protest vote against Hillary.

Did you even glance at the thread? If you are going to come on in and tell us how we should be, at least read a short thread where literally every single thing you posted has already been addressed.

Seems the courteous thing to do.

Socialism is 100,000 miles away from your democratic party. The U.S democratic party is further to the right than most European conservative parties. High taxation within free market system is not socialism, it is capitalism with distribution of wealth.

Distribution of wealth isn’t socialist, socialist is a specific thing, where the state owns all production, decides what is produced, decides who works where, decided what produce to distribute and what to put on a set unfree market to exchange with other nations.

No one in the democratic party is socialist. Which is why the socialist parties in the US have websites where they say they want Obama and Clinton hanging by the neck from the streetlights next to George Bush.

They see Bernie sanders as nothing more than the left wing of capitalism, if this is the case and Benrie is a mega socialist, why do socialists not support him?

As I told you and will now tell you one more time. Most people do not know who Bernie Sanders is. Also, how many attack ads have been placed against him point out his idiotic socialist ideas? not many compared to either Hillary or Trump.

So relax with the Bernie stuff/…I get it you like him. But Wasserman Schultz has guaranteed that Hillary (if not indicted) will get the nomination and Bernie will go back to being a left wing Senator from Vermont and retire in a an old folks home in about 5 years…okay I made up the last part…

This x10000

This was decided as soon as the backroom superdelegates were bribed.

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Hilary is as pro war as Bush, laughed on tape about getting a child rapist off, takes legal bribes to the tune of 50 million over the last 2 decades. She is about as left wing as fucking Henry Kissinger.

If they don’t nominate Bernie, which they won’t falling short of her indictment, then the democratic party will break up in my opinion.

Sounds fucking awesome/ sarcasm.

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Works pretty well. Lower infant mortality, higher literacy rate, lower extreme poverty. If it was so bad I would imagine people would vote to end it, yet no side of the political divide wants to go back to not having it.

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High taxation within free market system is not socialism, it is capitalism with distribution of wealth.
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Now tell me what is the incentive for job creators to continue to move forward and create jobs knowing that the government will steal more of their money for redistribution to those who have not earned it.

This crap never works in the long-term study history before you post.

Well it seems like even with high taxes corporations and businesses somehow manage to keep hiring people.

If your hypothesis is correct, these rates must be wrong?

You’re really just arguing semantics, which is fine if that’s your thing…

Socialism can’t exist without wealth distribution. Sure, who controls the means of production is an important facet of the definition, but it’s not the sole criteria for what is or is not socialism. The distribution of wealth, whether it’s by controlling the means of production or not is necessary for socialism to exist.

Of course not. Who the hell wants to give back free money/programs instead working for these things?

As did feudalism…