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Why Are HIT People Into Ayn Rand?

It ain’t just Mentzer… you log onto any of the HIT websites and they are all whacked out on objectivism. I’m no philosophist but I just don’t understand what all that jabber has to do with strength training

[quote]belligerent wrote:
It ain’t just Mentzer… you log onto any of the HIT websites and they are all whacked out on objectivism. I’m no philosophist but I just don’t understand what all that jabber has to do with strength training[/quote]

It makes up for the lack of muscle mass?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It makes up for the lack of muscle mass?[/quote]

Shiiiiiit. Surely you jest.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It makes up for the lack of muscle mass?

Shiiiiiit. Surely you jest. [/quote]

Actually, I don’t. I also know if you bring up either Mentzer or Yates who both gained most of their size NOT using HIT, any possible discussion might as well end here.

by the way, the original thread title was going to be “why are HITers so mindfucked on Ayn Rand?”, I contend that HITers are actually mindfucked

[quote]belligerent wrote:
It ain’t just Mentzer… you log onto any of the HIT websites and they are all whacked out on objectivism. I’m no philosophist but I just don’t understand what all that jabber has to do with strength training[/quote]

Really? I am on Darden’s HIT website all the time. Rand, objectivism, or any of that crap are NEVER mentioned.

Speaking of objectives, what was yours in starting this thread — other than showing your ass or starting a fight? More importantly, why do you GAF?

[quote]simon-hecubus wrote:
Speaking of objectives, what was yours in starting this thread — other than showing your ass or starting a fight? More importantly, why do you GAF?[/quote]

Speaking of… I’m completely confused by this thread. Who is Ayn Rand? What is HIT, what is…objectivism? WTF!

[quote]HogLover wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
Speaking of objectives, what was yours in starting this thread — other than showing your ass or starting a fight? More importantly, why do you GAF?

Speaking of… I’m completely confused by this thread. Who is Ayn Rand? What is HIT, what is…objectivism? WTF!
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HIT - High Intensity Training.

Ayn Rand - Russian born American philosopher who extolled the virtues of individualism, benevolent selfishness and the free market, while denouncing religion, the welfare state, socialism.

Objectivism - the school of thought centered around Ayn Rand’s philosophy

[quote]entheogens wrote:
Ayn Rand - Russian born American philosopher who poorly argued the virtues of individualism, benevolent selfishness and the free market, while denouncing religion, the welfare state, socialism.
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Fixed.

Objective is the opposite of subjective.

Well, Ayn Rand�??s work certainly promotes individualism and personal achievement. It�??s pretty inspiring stuff, even if it is a bit deranged in some ways.

“Your life belongs to you and the GOOD is to live it.”
— Ayn Rand

Pretty fucked up stuff…

I always though the connection between Rynd and HIT was a little weird. I can’t imagine if any of her heroes took up lifting they would be HIT’ers. They were always preoccupied with results, and didn’t give a damn about much else.

It’s weird that Rand is made fun of but Anton LaVey is considered a serious philosopher. The internet is a weird place.

[quote]Higher Game wrote:
It’s weird that Rand is made fun of but Anton LaVey is considered a serious philosopher. The internet is a weird place.[/quote]

Enough to make Atlas shrug.

[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Enough to make Atlas shrug.[/quote]

I sea what you did there

I am into Ayn Rand, but am by no means into HIT. I don’t see how the two became synonymous. As entheogens pointed out, she extolled the virtues of living for yourself, the virtue of RATIONAL selfishness and creating. Why don’t people bother reading or doing a little research before jumping to conclusions about things? Is it really that hard? My two cents…

[quote]Flow wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Enough to make Atlas shrug.

I sea what you did there[/quote]

Damn it. I wish I said that. Avatar and all. Fuckers.

On side note, I enjoy most of Rand’s ideas, but I don’t drink the objectivism kool-aid. I just pick out the good points, regardless of tone, and apply from their.

I honestly don’t understand why people get so worked up over this chick. I had some crazy bitch walk up to me while I was reading The Fountainhead at the park a few years back and tap me on the shoulder and say:“Why would you read something like that?”. I wish I had something witty to say to her but I was kind of shocked and just mumbled something like:“Ahh…I don’t know…are you ok to just…walk around by yourself?”.

[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Flow wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:

Enough to make Atlas shrug.

I sea what you did there

Damn it. I wish I said that. Avatar and all. Fuckers.

On side note, I enjoy most of Rand’s ideas, but I don’t drink the objectivism kool-aid. I just pick out the good points, regardless of tone, and apply from their.

I honestly don’t understand why people get so worked up over this chick. I had some crazy bitch walk up to me while I was reading The Fountainhead at the park a few years back and tap me on the shoulder and say:“Why would you read something like that?”. I wish I had something witty to say to her but I was kind of shocked and just mumbled something like:“Ahh…I don’t know…are you ok to just…walk around by yourself?”.

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It’s actually due to Mike Mentzer. He tried to use philosophy to justify his goofy training methods. First it was Nietczhe,sp, in the 70s, then he jumped on the Rand train before he died.

I read a few of her books and enjoyed them, but using her ideas to justify training methods is goofy.

[quote]tom63 wrote:

It’s actually due to Mike Mentzer. He tried to use philosophy to justify his goofy training methods. First it was Nietczhe,sp, in the 70s, then he jumped on the Rand train before he died.

I read a few of her books and enjoyed them, but using her ideas to justify training methods is goofy.[/quote]

Well said. Other adjectives are: retarded, crap-tastic, dense, dumb-assery, Paris Hilton-ish and my personal favorite, “shitty”.

We can also blame the goofiness on “roidz” since they apparently explain every other ridiculous act in society.