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Who's Funding the Mosque?

“In an article in the New York Daily News on Thursday, retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches said, â??I realize itâ??s not all of them, but I donâ??t want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque. If you ask me, itâ??s a religion of hate.â?? Deputy Chief Riches lost his son Jim, a firefighter, on 9/11.”

Who is funding the building of this nest? Look at some of the names: United Nations, Rockefellers, Carnegie, foreign governments.

When I was younger (back when we lived in the trees ;), this was called deviltry…plain and simple deviltry.

Now the Anti-Defamation league has come out against this mosque. Go for it, boys!!

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.

Saudi Arabia?

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Saudi Arabia?[/quote]

How stupid of me! No link!

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2010/05/22/ground-zero-mosque-imam-refuses-to-disclose-source-of-funding/

headhunter: tell us when you have a “final solution” to the “muslim problem”

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.[/quote]

If America decides to be a nation of God, then America’s symbol would be that of the Christian cross, not a dollar sign, and your suggestion commits treason against your Ayn Randian version of society.

You should really make up your mind. If Man serves God, he can’t be an end unto himself.

You know I’m not the smartest person in the world but if the City of New York and surrounding community hell the whole nation doesn’t stand up and contest this we are a bunch of morons. That firefighter is right, this is a Trojan Horse and it needs to be stopped. Not sure if anyone noticed but we are at war with multiple Muslim nations at this very moment. It’s a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives and the entire nation. Islam and the Muslim religion is one of violence and hate. They will not be happy until the world is completely Muslim or completely destroyed. They are a disease and need to be cured by whatever means necessary. I am not a hateful person nor am I raciest, and I don’t care for organized religion one way or the other. It makes me sick to hear about the way they treat their women, they are practically slaves and IMHO that is about as low as you can go… Bunch of radical, brain washed crazies. O and I thought draw Muhammad day was a great idea! End rant/

We are a Nation gripped by Satan , Jeez

FWIW, it’s a sign of conquest in the Islamic world to place a mosque on the site of some great triumph.

Examples: pretty much any former church in the ME is now a mosque.

Witness the gold domed pagan structure (al aska mosque) on top of the Temple Mount.

This is basic we’ve-got-you-beat chest-beating Islam 101 and will be taken as a sign of weakness and submission to Islam.

Religious issues aside, its existance will be used by radical islamists as “proof” that America is weak and ripe for attack.

(Sorry for the bad news; I’ve lived surrounded by muslims my entire life. It’s how they think.)

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“In an article in the New York Daily News on Thursday, retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches said, â??I realize itâ??s not all of them, but I donâ??t want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque. If you ask me, itâ??s a religion of hate.â?? Deputy Chief Riches lost his son Jim, a firefighter, on 9/11.”

Who is funding the building of this nest? Look at some of the names: United Nations, Rockefellers, Carnegie, foreign governments.

When I was younger (back when we lived in the trees ;), this was called deviltry…plain and simple deviltry.

Now the Anti-Defamation league has come out against this mosque. Go for it, boys!!

America has to decide…be a nation of God or a nation gripped by Satan.

[/quote]

Yeah, HH, what gives? You’ll post Ayn Rand quotes, then in the next thread you’ll insist on “burning the nest”. And just recently, you went and vacationed in the “nest” you want to burn.

Which one is it?

And my vote goes to Satan. He’s much more hip, plus for a small fee (like, your soul), he can bestow upon you amazing musical/“geetar” playing abilities…which I’m actually contemplating.

There is no win in this situation. I don’t really want the mosque there either, but if I am to support liberty and freedom as I do, I must just deal with it and not like it. Being a true supporter of liberty means you have to put up with shit you don’t like. I don’t like it, but I won’t trump freedom to stop it.

However, if it does become a hub for illegal or terrorist activity of any kind, it should be shut down pronto.

Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…[/quote]

Religion is part of who people are, they have every right to be who they are in politics, voters, politicians and the like. It is Anti-American to try to forcibly separate the 2. It would be like trying to get homosexual issues out of politics. A gay person has every right to have their sexuality influence their vote or their politics. So do Christians.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…[/quote]

We are, and it is…

I have a final solution to the muslim problem . . . all muslims have to move back to muslim lands until they sort out their internal dispute over the true nature and teachings of Islam. Once they have that sorted out and settled on the peaceful version - they can join the rest of humanity . . . if they settle on the violent version - at least they are all in the same place . . . LMAO - I kill me. . . .

[quote]florelius wrote:
headhunter: tell us when you have a “final solution” to the “muslim problem” [/quote]

I’m not surprised that a clueless European (especially one from Scandinavia) would want to bully people by using such terms. The irony is that islam and national socialism are very similar ideologies with very similar history.

You Scandinavians are like babes in the woods. You have lived your entire lives in very homogeneous societies where the concept of a community that has been divided along ethnic or religious lines is completely foreign to you. But your ignorance doesn’t stop you from dissing those who have grown up with it like we have in the US.

It is only in recent years that you Norwegians have had mass immigration into your country of muslims and have only recently had to deal with the consequences. ie The skyrocketing incidences of rape in Oslo. Yet even now as the results become apparent leftists like you wnat to stifle open debate.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754

“The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City.”

According to Aftenposten, the clinic (voldtektsmottak) at the emergency hospital known as Legevakt has never had so many rape victims to treat. Its ability to care for them all is being severely tested. The number of reported rapes has skyrocketed this year.

Two out of three charged with rape in Norwayâ??s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily. Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that â??Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapesâ?? because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative.

The professorâ??s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: â??Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.â??

[quote]pat wrote:
There is no win in this situation. I don’t really want the mosque there either, but if I am to support liberty and freedom as I do, I must just deal with it and not like it. Being a true supporter of liberty means you have to put up with shit you don’t like. I don’t like it, but I won’t trump freedom to stop it.

However, if it does become a hub for illegal or terrorist activity of any kind, it should be shut down pronto. [/quote]

Great post, I agree.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…[/quote]

Religion is part of who people are, they have every right to be who they are in politics, voters, politicians and the like. It is Anti-American to try to forcibly separate the 2. It would be like trying to get homosexual issues out of politics. A gay person has every right to have their sexuality influence their vote or their politics. So do Christians.[/quote]

I think you will find that your constitution (which I guess defines what it is to be American) actually does forcibly separate politics and religion. Telling people they cannot build a place of worship on some land that they own is massively unamerican.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…[/quote]

That only works when the religion does not demand superiority to the secular government.

Islam, by its religious tenants, demands the secular government submit (that’s what “Islam” means, BTW “submit”) to its authority. Fundamental Islam (that is muslims that actually believe and follow the koran) is incompatable with a secular government.

Now, I’ve met and known many a muslim that was a great guy. But they kinda grazed over the top of the koran and got the “good stuff.”

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Or you could be a secular nation that has separation of religion and politics. Just saying, it is an option…[/quote]

Religion is part of who people are, they have every right to be who they are in politics, voters, politicians and the like. It is Anti-American to try to forcibly separate the 2. It would be like trying to get homosexual issues out of politics. A gay person has every right to have their sexuality influence their vote or their politics. So do Christians.[/quote]

I think you will find that your constitution (which I guess defines what it is to be American) actually does forcibly separate politics and religion. Telling people they cannot build a place of worship on some land that they own is massively unamerican.[/quote]

It is. But it is increasingly apparent that Islam is not a religion, but rather a violent political movement that calls itself a religion.