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Who Is The Best In the Military?

Ok, I keep reading about Army Rangers, Delta Force, Green Berets, US Navy seals and such.

Who are the best…better yet, who does what. What makes Delta Force more special than a Marine?

And I’m posting this to be an asshole, I just really want to know. I’m pretty sure Coast Guard and Reserves are on the bottom.

Well you are. At this time, you are pretty much signing yourself up to go to war if you join the reserves-- and all those on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan are our heros-- regardless of political views.

Why does it matter?

Everyone plays an important role. Except maybe for the sleazy politicians that try and control.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Ok, I keep reading about Army Rangers, Delta Force, Green Berets, US Navy seals and such.

Who are the best…better yet, who does what. What makes Delta Force more special than a Marine?

And I’m posting this to be an asshole, I just really want to know. I’m pretty sure Coast Guard and Reserves are on the bottom.[/quote]

We all signed that line and stepped up to do what our country asked us too. No matter what our political views are, we do the job for each other. I do my job, for my family, country, and one of the most of all my fellow brothers and sisters who serve with me. We are all the best at what we do, The Infantry couldnt repair an air craft, or repair a ship, and so on.

We are the best at the jobs we do. Just like in the civilian world, you would never ask a firefighter, to be ablawer. And as for our “Reserve” units, they deploy and work just as well and hard when in the field. But, there is always a few shit bags here and there. In any case, you might want to refrase your question

[quote]unbending wrote:
Why does it matter?

Everyone plays an important role. Except maybe for the sleazy politicians that try and control.[/quote]

well said!

Hey shipmate, one team-one fight

Wow you know nothing of the military. You trying to compare apples and oranges. The reserves are a component of all services and seals, rangers, etc are jobs within each service. Additionally, Coast Guard rescue swimmers are no joke; however the USCG is a department of transportation not defense.

None is truly better than the rest. They are all very important.

The lowest acceptance rate of any special force is navy seal; however, delta is extremely selective isn’t something you can audition for, but are chosen for. Either way they are all important.

You’re asking the wrong question. You should who is best at which mission.

If you have some amphibious ops, I would suggest its probably the SEALS.

If you have a large semi conventional target that is a meat grinder I would suggest the Rangers.

If you have god knows what I would suggest Delta.

If you want to train insurgents or conduct anti-insurgency then probaly Special Forces (Green Berets).

from a numerical standpoint
Theres a lot more Rangers than Green Berete
Theres quite a bit more Green Berets than Seals.

Theres probably a few more seals than Delta.

As a side note by Rangers do you mean a soldier with a Ranger Tab or a Ranger batallion?

If you are training to be very good at strict curls, are you going to go enter a squat competition?

The DOD generally tries to employ units in the mission they are trained or specialized in (emphasis on try).

Does that help at all?

PS Air force also has Para-guys, Marine have Force Recon, and the Coast Guard probably has something or another

PSS Chuck Norris?

Don’t forget Combat Controllers in the USAF.

[quote]drugzk1ll wrote:
Wow you know nothing of the military. You trying to compare apples and oranges. The reserves are a component of all services and seals, rangers, etc are jobs within each service. [/quote]

No doubt. I have many friends who are special forces qualified but who serve with reserve units.

Then again, the OP’s avatar is a professional wrestler. LOL – Are you surprised that he knows nothing?

The USCG is under the Dept. of Homeland Security umbrella. They started out as a division of US Customs. Part of their flag is the US Customs flag. (what used to be Customs)

dude, it depends on the what the operation is and which branch/unit is trained to carryout the particular mission!

if you need to take over an airport. you don’t ask the navy seals, the rangers are trained to do that. so, some dumb fuck decided to have navy seals do this in the and the operation was a failure, we lost some seals…then the rangers finally came in to finish the job successfully.

thanks pappi bush. you’d think with the cia work he did, he’d be smart enough, but NOPE.

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[quote]drugzk1ll wrote:

The lowest acceptance rate of any special force is navy seal[/quote]

This is NOT CORRECT not even remotely close to being correct

[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
drugzk1ll wrote:

The lowest acceptance rate of any special force is navy seal

This is NOT CORRECT not even remotely close to being correct[/quote]

I think he may have confused rate of attrition because theirs is pretty high and they allow a bunch of guys(relatively speaking) to tryout.

First, I wasn’t posting this to be an asshole. Sorry and I do mean it.

Second, I just don’t understand the difference between Delta Force, Seals, Marine, Army Rangers, Green Berets, and such. I just want to know, that’s all.

Everyone who stated it depends on the mission is correct. If you are going to fight a tank battle you want the best tankers to take on the enemy. However, I get a sense you are asking what is the most demanding group to get into or be a part of. I would think if you take into account intelligence level, physical fitness, and mental toughness, as others have said it would be the Special Ops groups.

I have read that Delta Force only takes the cream of the crop from the Rangers and Green Berets so, I would surmise they are near the pinnacle of being the toughest to get into and the SEALS have always had that rep as well.

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[quote]Hoosier wrote:
The USCG is under the Dept. of Homeland Security umbrella. They started out as a division of US Customs. Part of their flag is the US Customs flag. (what used to be Customs)[/quote]

Good call but I believe during times of war they come under the DOD (not positive about this though). All branches are necessary for the machine to run efficiently but I can’t wait to ship out and earn my spot among the Few and the Proud.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
First, I wasn’t posting this to be an asshole. Sorry and I do mean it.

Second, I just don’t understand the difference between Delta Force, Seals, Marine, Army Rangers, Green Berets, and such. I just want to know, that’s all.[/quote]

Delta Force (Detachment D) is Army. An elite unit drawn from the Special Forces and Rangers. Which are also highly specialized troops. They are at the top of the food chain in the Army Spec Ops community.

Seals are Naval Special Forces. Trained to attack from the Sea, Air and Land (seal). Legendary difficult training and selection.

The Marines are part of the Navy (sorry Marines). The Marines operate as Naval infantry. They are trained to attack objectives by amphibious landings. They are a smaller force then the Army. They also provide secrity on some surface vessels. A legendary tradition of toughness on the battlefield. Marines provide their own Close Air Support, Armor and artillery and don’t expect or want that support from others.

The Rangers are Army. Highly trained, more so then regular troops. Airborne qualified. They also operate in larger detachments typically. They are not heavy troops so they are best for lighting quick raids and taking objectives. They should not be used against a mechanized force for example.

Green Berets are Army Special Forces. Drawn from Airborne and Ranger units they normally operate in A Teams which are squad level if I remember correctly. They are used for lots of different missions. One of the missions they specialize in is training other armies, militia and fighters friendly to the United States. A SF A Team can turn the tide in a small war by training and equiping a local force. Samll countries often benefit greatly by being trained by them.

The Special Forces are controlled by the Special Opereations Command, which is too convoluted to even describe on this forum.

I don’t think you were being a dick.

Carry on!

If you truly want to understand the differences among the groups, I would suggest you check out some of the excellent books available out there that talk about (and with) members of these groups.

I highly recommend the following:

-Blackhawk Down (does an excellent job of comparing / contrasting the Rangers and Delta in particular)

-The Company They Keep (Special Forces soldiers talking about their experiences in the post Desert Storm Army)

-Not a Good Day to Die (Army Infantry, Delta and Navy SEALS talking about the battle of Takhur Ghar in Afghanistan)

And I believe Tom Clancy has a book on the subject also. There are more good ones, I’m sure, but that should give you a good start.

Inside Delta Force by Ericy Haney is another good book.

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