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Who is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?


From Amil Imani:


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He doesn't have any real power in Iran, he's just a spokesperson and a face for everyone to hate. The Ayatollah holds power over everyone there... Al Khamenei I think his name was, might have to wiki it.

I don't think he writes his own speeches either.


You think Ahmadinejad doesn't believe the speeches he's reading? Last election the reformists were gaining ground. He was picked because he was a hardliner.


A fact that certain people seem incapable of admitting.


admit what? That he's actually a conservative Christian posing as a Shite?


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Many of the American hostages capture at the American embassy in Iran have identified Ahmadinejad as on of the hostage-takers. They also said that he was the most violent and the most inclined to torture. It was his idea for Iranian boys to "martyr" themselves by rolling themselves up in blankets and go running through Iraq minefields, even while the Iraqis were yelling at them to stop. It's hard to imagine the Arabs being more civilized than the Persians, but that's what happened in this case.

You assert that he has no power, but he has deep roots in Qom where he studied and has demonstrated himself to be an apt pupil of this apocalyptic twelver Shi'ism that the Ayatollah Khomeini preached. At the very least, he has a lot of influence.

This push for nuclear weapons is probably the last gasp of the empire of Persia, given its demographic and economic problems, but that gasp may be a big bang.


You two have a real bury your head in the sand mentality which is dangerous. These are not people to underestimate and dismiss as harmless.

Just because the Ayatollah Khamenei is a step above Ahmadinejad does not mean the president does not have a lot of power. Ahmadinejad certainly has a lot of clout with the revolutionary guards who are the ones running the nuclear program.

The revolutionary guards should not be underestimated either, they are like a nation within the Iranian nation, with their own power structure consisting of their own leadership, military industrial complex and army, navy, air force. Ahmadinejad is their leader.

Khamenei and Ahmadinejad both had roles they played in the hostage crisis. There is not as much daylight between those two as you assume. They are merely playing good cop bad cop in order to mislead people who want to be mislead.

The Ayatollah Khamenei was hand picked by the Ayatollah Khomenei to be his successor. Khomenei even went so far as to change the constitution so Khamenei who was not a Grand Ayatollah (marja) or even an Ayatollah could be promoted.

Khomenei chose Khamenei because none of the Ayatollahs was hardline enough for his satisfaction. Khamenei chose Ahmadinejad as president because Ahmadinejad reflected his beliefs.

Your desire to not see this come to a fight is clouding your judgement and causing you to engage in wishful thinking that Khamenei is going to save the day.


He's an asshole bottom line.

He wouldn't say anything that the Ayatollah would disagree with, the fact that he may or may not have any power is irrelevant. He speaks for Iran and that speak is full of hate, violence, genocide and destruction.

There is nothing to talk about really, he not worth discussing...I wouldn't give that cocksucker the sweat off of my balls if he were dying of thirst.

And why, when he is on American soil, has he not been arrested for his role in the hostage taking in '79?


Stop bringing facts into this discussion. They have no place here.


Here is some analysis on what is going on with Irans nuclear program and the Ayatollah Khamenei's of and approval for Ahmadinejad to run for reelection.


US-Russian deal lets Iran�??s nuclear bomb program off the hook
DEBKAfile Special Report

September 27, 2008, 10:39 AM (GMT+02:00)

Friday, Sept. 26, 2008 was the day the policy pursued by Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni and Shimon Peres, of reliance on the international community to stop Iran developing a nuclear bomb, sank without a trace. The international community declined to adopt fresh economic sanctions to rein in an increasingly defiant Tehran.

A deal between the US and Russia in New York sealed a very brief non-sanctions draft reaffirming previous council decisions for the five permanent Security Council members and Germany to table. It also called for Iran�??s compliance.

This ignored the reality of Iran openly flouting all three previous sanctions resolutions: Tehran continues to enrich uranium, reprocess plutonium, build nuclear-capable missiles and stonewall on International Atomic Energy Agency�??s questions and inspections.

Even the usually forgiving IAEA director Mohamed ElBaradei changed his tune and admitted Thursday that Iran was on its way to �??mastering technology that would enable it to build atomic bombs.�??

Yet no comment has come from Israel, either from the Kadima-nominee for prime minister Tzipi Livni or defense minister, Labor�??s Ehud Barak, although ElBaradei was clearly preparing the ground to raise his hands and admit failure in stop Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon capability. The world would have to swallow the pill.

This acceptance was reflected in the West�??s backing down on a fourth round of sanctions. Iran, free of fear of retribution, may go forward with its first underground nuclear test some time next year, flaunting the inability of its arch-foes, America and Israel, to prevent it attaining the status of first Islamic nuclear power.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad could therefore afford to be cockier than ever when he addressed the UN General Assembly in Nazi-style anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli and anti-American language. Tehran would ignore any council demand imposed by �??arrogant powers�?? to curb its nuclear program, he declared. The issue was closed.

The Iranian leader can afford to crow. This week he won solid backing from Iran�??s ultimate power, supreme leader ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who called on the nation to give him their support.

This cleared the way for Ahmadinejad�??s re-election as president next year and enable him to continue to shepherd the national nuclear weapons program through to completion.

He certainly picked up the gap in perception of the program between Israel and the world powers. While Israeli spokesman still refer to a future threat which there is still time to stop, most world leaders appear reconciled to its presence.

The collapse of Israel�??s foreign policy on this issue came at an unfortunate juncture:

  1. The pandemonium in the US-led financial world has removed the Iranian threat from international consciousness.

  2. Moscow, Iran and Syria are cementing their partnership, giving Tehran�??s nuclear aspirations a strong diplomatic umbrella.

Moscow is pursuing cold war tactics in two new spheres: the Middle East, from its center of gravity in Tehran, and Latin America, resting on Venezuela�??s anti-American posture and friendly relations with Iran.

Israel�??s foreign policy, lame and defensive at the best of times since Livni took over, appears as oblivious as ever to the disastrous developments pressing down on the Jewish state.


I never said anything of the kind. Khamenei is certainly a hard-liner. But to respond to Ahmedinejad's absurd statements and petty provocations like he rules Iran when he is, at best, fourth in the pecking order, is stupid.


If Ahmadinejad is just the mouth piece for Khameini and the other ayatollahs, are you now comforted? You think Khameini is some "moderate"?


Ahmadinejad would not be president with out the approval of the Ayatollahs. If you are trying to suggest that he is just some loose canon who does not have the full approval of the Ayatollahs you are delusional.

The Ayatollah Khamenei just called upon the Iranian people to give Ahmadinejad their support and approved him to run for reelection.

If Ahmadinejad did not have the approval of the Ayatollahs they would not have approved him to run for reelection.

Obviously it is not easy for you to accept but the Iranians are operating under a very different set of beliefs and motiviations from what we are used to in this country.




He sat down with a fringe group of self-loathing Jews who hate the idea of Israel at the Holocaust (denial) conference he hosted in Tehran. I remember all of this. What is your point?


I don't want to start a new thread for this, so I'll drop it here, as it's the current Ahmadinejad thread: "Bush curses Ahmadinejad in UN speech."